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Comments on Self-Directed Learning student learning outcome:
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1Nov 9, 2010 9:36 PMVery nebulous outcome, how does one define an autonomous individual?
2Nov 9, 2010 9:38 PMLOVE this
3Nov 9, 2010 9:42 PMBut there is no way to actually show this.
4Nov 9, 2010 9:45 PMThe is on par with critical thinking skills.
5Nov 9, 2010 9:46 PMI chose no because of my haRdships and struggle to teach myself complex subjects in lecture classes. I have to study more, find tutors, and almost 'teach myself to teach myself.'
6Nov 9, 2010 9:51 PMno comment
7Nov 9, 2010 9:51 PMNot in the IT 360, IT 320, IT 460, and IT 462 classes taught by Dr. Mahbubur Syed
8Nov 9, 2010 9:56 PMAfter navigating a department that forces students to pick their own paths and is unclear in their expectations of said students, this is true.
9Nov 9, 2010 9:58 PMThis is perhaps the most important outcome.
10Nov 9, 2010 10:00 PMHalf of the students do, the other half dodn't. It is more like a mix in MSU.
11Nov 9, 2010 10:06 PMSelf learning happens all through life and college is a continuation of what one learns in the K-12 environment about that process.
12Nov 9, 2010 10:10 PMI'm not sure if independent study courses are highly pushed here, but I find them very effective. I've taken a few and can tell I get a lot more done because I'm my own teacher. I don't know how well that would go campus wide, because everyone has different schedules and lifestyles and it may not operate the same way for everyone. I think everyone should try to push for self-directed learning.
13Nov 9, 2010 10:12 PMThis is a requirement needed for the institution. However, strict guidelines must be set, and essay tests or oral discussions must be the test to be sure the student does infact understand the material. Standardized test questions and answers are readily available on the web, and unfortunately students believe the web is a resource to be used, not cheating; which is what it really is. From experience, decades between degree's; I'm amazed at the abuse that occurs and is expected in order to get the grade. It's all about the grade - not what you learned. Sadly true.
14Nov 9, 2010 10:18 PMWe have to beable to self teach oursleves, becuase so few of the professors are actually willing to help us learn by actually teaching us the material that we need to know.
15Nov 9, 2010 10:24 PMAnd again, how will we know when this occurs?
16Nov 9, 2010 10:26 PMIn many classes at Minnesota State, students are forced to teach themselves and learn to develop the ability to go out and figure something out when needed. This is very beneficial to students in the long run as it allows them to become lifelong learners.
17Nov 9, 2010 10:30 PMDepends on individual ability.
18Nov 9, 2010 10:38 PMStudents in most classes are taught to take tests, not to synthesize information.
19Nov 9, 2010 10:46 PMNone
20Nov 9, 2010 10:53 PMHOw will this be assessed?
21Nov 9, 2010 10:58 PMAgain, this goes along with the shift toward "how to know" and "how to learn".
22Nov 9, 2010 11:05 PMThis is an important skill, but an acceptable way to show students this is hard to find. The absence of teaching is not a good way.
23Nov 9, 2010 11:13 PMIf I had to rank the outcomes in order of importance, I would probably rank this last. However, I do think it is a good outcome.
24Nov 9, 2010 11:35 PMI am taking an online class and believe that it is a good skill to have in order to learn on one's own.
25Nov 9, 2010 11:41 PMStudents will autonomously acquire knowlede and develop skills.
26Nov 9, 2010 11:46 PMThe whole point of teaching is to let folks learn to do it themselves. Get rid of the Mommy culture in education, too.
27Nov 9, 2010 11:46 PMWhat does autonomously acquire knowledge mean? Does this mean students will be able to work in a vacuum and not collaborate with others?
28Nov 10, 2010 12:00 AMi have learned how to teach myself from the text it was hard at first but i got used to it
29Nov 10, 2010 12:55 AMStudents should be learning this prior to attending the University. It will greatly delay their progress if they do not have this ability when they are admitted.
30Nov 10, 2010 1:28 AMThat's good. Learning to learn.
31Nov 10, 2010 1:52 AMWould programs cover the implementation and assessment of this outcome?
32Nov 10, 2010 1:54 AMMany students being fresh out of High School have not had much experience in the real world; and so to be in situations where they are required to learn and improve on a skill out of a controlled environment can be new. These service learning programs allow students to grow into themselves more.
33Nov 10, 2010 2:41 AMYou better read this. This is the only way that a student could possibly hope to pass many of the classes I've taken. LITERALLY. The professors just DON'T KNOW HOW TO TEACH! That said, how in the hell do you hope to pass a test then? Well, that's called Self-Directed Learning. A skill NOT taught at MSU, but that is necessary to survive in the pit of incompetence that most MSU classes become, especially the 300 level IT classes in my experience.
34Nov 10, 2010 2:59 AMExcellent! Do not, do not, do not throw this SLO out.
35Nov 10, 2010 3:29 AMVery important in the workplace.
36Nov 10, 2010 3:48 AMNot sure how this can be developed. Seems some do and some don't. I'd need help with knowing how to help students do this better.
37Nov 10, 2010 4:23 AMTo me, this implies an independent project with very little faculty supervision. Yet, somone will have to grade the project (and I know that a grade is not assessment, but there has to be something--the self-reflection on the project--that is assessmed). This is also so broad that it could mean anything.
38Nov 10, 2010 6:45 AMThis situation really depends again, like would it really be interesting to students.
39Nov 10, 2010 12:59 PMIs this demonstrated through the successful completion of homework? How about through a hobby? A club sport? My basic complaint with all the "outcomes" is that they are too squishy...the attempt to keep things broad for VSA and in order to embrace the whole university means that, in my opinion, these outcomes have little meaning & will not provide much useful information.
40Nov 10, 2010 2:29 PMTheir are opportunties all over the place. I would like to see more diversity is schedules. Many students have a very tight schedule and thinking outside the box would appreciated. For example, is their anything wrong with doing a presentation on a subject matter at 9 pm at night?
41Nov 10, 2010 3:29 PMIs there a particular way we plan to measure this outcome?
42Nov 10, 2010 4:05 PMsome teachers don't teach us a thing and we have to learn it ALL on our own
43Nov 10, 2010 4:38 PMThis isn't something you teach, perhaps a philosophy that you could attempt to instill in someone though.
44Nov 10, 2010 4:48 PMStudents will be able to learn what is taught in class, then able to perform based on the knowledge and development skills.
45Nov 10, 2010 5:25 PMi'm working on it
46Nov 10, 2010 5:33 PMYes, they need to know where to find the knowledge and skills but also I believe that the quality of the information the find is even more important. A student can google a topic but unless they have the skills to determine if the information they found is good quality information as opposed to poor information then the "finding" part is essentially useless.
47Nov 10, 2010 6:47 PMCan we get beyond grading???? Exactly how would this be measured?
48Nov 10, 2010 7:34 PMI thought thats what I was doing by coming here? I don't remember anyone controlling that decision.
49Nov 10, 2010 9:45 PMTIME MANAGEMENT. That is the biggest things I have learned.
50Nov 10, 2010 10:55 PMI do believe they learn this because they still get some guidance to start with but they also have some on-line classes.
51Nov 11, 2010 12:40 AMOur students need to learn how to learn.
52Nov 11, 2010 6:56 PMHow is this measured? Checked "no" because there wasn't an undecided button
53Nov 11, 2010 7:51 PMThis outcome makes sense to me -- our students need to be prepared to be life-long learners.
54Nov 12, 2010 6:04 AMThis is a student learning outcome? Why?
55Nov 12, 2010 2:32 PMThis is an important learning outcome for students. What systems are in place to foster or encourage student learning in this area of development?
56Nov 12, 2010 5:10 PMnone
57Nov 15, 2010 4:17 PMStudents should not be in a university if they do not have this ability. Again, silly.
58Nov 16, 2010 4:15 AMI am not sure what this really means. Develop what skills?
59Nov 17, 2010 5:00 PMI wish!