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Online Conference paper, Stuttering Foundation of America -- Looking Back and
Looking Forward by Jane Fraser.

Collaborative team

From: Ed Feuer
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:36:33 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

In your article, you said: "The plan formulated by Van Riper and my father was to bring together eminent
speech pathologists as well as guest authorities in psychology, psychiatry, and even in cultural anthropology
for an entire week of discussions to see if they could agree upon some general guidelines for a comprehensive
program on stuttering." With that plan in mind, would the SFA be willing to take an objective look at a
coordinated multidisciplinary team approach for the treatment of stuttering in adults. This concept recognizes
the fact that although SLPs have a central role in therapy, they do not have all the answers in stuttering and
that their stuttering clients could benefit from a multidisciplinary team including other professionals with
relevant expertise. 



Re: Collaborative team

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:37:08 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

This is an excellent idea. I would love to hear more.


Re: Collaborative team

From: Ed Feuer
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:37:41 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Jane, If you wish to learn more about the collaborative team concept, please read my brief futuristic essay on
the Stuttering Home Page at: http://www.mnsu.edu/comdis/kuster/TherapyWWW/In2025.html
The SFA could help make it happen. — Ed Feuer


SFA

From: chuck goldman  chuckig@aol.com
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:38:25 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

As a current colleague of Oliver Bloodstein I could imagine him reminding you of the tension between
Johnson and Van Riper. It is Oliver's storytelling ability that continues to entrance students in his program. 

I'm glad I have this personal opportunity to say thanks as both a university teacher and a clinician. There is
nowhere else a clinician student or teacher can turn for low cost comprehensive professional information.


Re: SFA

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:39:01 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Thank you Chuck. Yes, Oliver is a fabulous story teller. I remebered the tension my father felt...but of
course, he was thrilled too to be in the company of such interesting men and with other people who stuttered.
He didn't find many in the auto parts business.



Consulting Fees

From: Ira Zimmerman
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:39:47 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Does SFA pay consulting fees to persons like Drs. Guitar, Ramig, Hunt, etc? If so, don't you think that they
are taking advantage of your organization just because SFA can afford it while other non-profits such as the
National Stuttering Project can't? 

Does SFA also pay any fees to their celebrity spokespersons like John Stossel or Mel Tillis? 

Re: Consulting Fees

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:40:53 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

The answer to both of your questions is no, we do not.


Re: Consulting Fees

From: Ira Zimmerman
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:53:00 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Actually I asked three questions. I don't know which two questions you answered 'no.' I'd 

appreciate some clarification. 

1. Does SFA pay consulting fees to persons like Dr. Ramig, Dr. Guitar or Dr. Hood? 

2. Since they provide their services to NSP for free, why do you feel that SFA is not being taken 

advantage of because it has more money than NSP does? 

3. Does SFA pay any fees to the celebrity spokespersons like John Stossel or Mel Tillis or Bill 

Walton?



Thanks from the BSA

From: Susan Page
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:41:42 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

On behalf of the British Stammering Association, I would like to express my admiration for the excellent work
the SFA has done for stammerers all over the world. 

During the crucial years when the BSA (then AFS) began to establish itself as a professional organisation with
a permanent office and paid staff they gave us their unstinting support. During those years, this very often
made the difference between the Association's success or failure. 

The BSA would not be where it is today without the vision of Malcolm Fraser and the support of his
successors. 

Susan Page Chair, British Stammering Association 


Re: Thanks from the BSA

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:42:12 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Thank you so much for your lovely comments!


Congratulations

From: Gunars K. Neiders
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:42:57 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Ms. Fraser, 

To my knowledge Stuttering Foundation of America and those who have participated in its functioning are
very exceptional if not unique in the history of mankind for several reasons: 

1. For the service it has provided to the stuttering community with such limited means. I still have more than a
dozen publications that I ordered throughout my life. The cost of these was miniscule as to the inspiration they
gave me through some of my darkest moments of doubt about hope in stuttering therapy. 

2. For its unique ability to avoid serious political squabbles. 

3. For its low operating overhead. I have not heard of any other charitable organization that can claim your
overhead figures. 

4. For its durability to exist for over a half century and still be so vibrant and meaningful. 

I wish you, and all the people participating in your endeavors all the best. 

Sincerely, Gunars 

p.s. I think that your fathers example of selfless giving has been one of the inspirations for the people in the
field. As for Van Riper's and Johnson's contentious struggles, I as a client at Ohio State University's Speech
Clinic in the mid fifties heard many of tales told by professors and graduate students. One could write a high
drama about their struggles. Today's arguments seem palid in comparison.


Re: Congratulations

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:43:39 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Thank you for your many wonderful comments. We are so happy to be of service to you.


SFA's support of ISTAR

From: Molly Tami, Cincinnati
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:44:23 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Ms. Fraser, Your article was extremely interesting and I congratulate you on all of SFA's important
accomplishments. I am writing to thank you for SFA's support of ISTAR and the Univ. of Alberta. I spent
this past August there with my 8 year old son, and found the program and staff there to be wonderful! My son
participated in the month long intensive clinic for school age children who stutter. I am happy to report that we
have had great results from the program and we are committed to helping ISTAR continue with its work. I
only wish that there was a comparable program in the U.S. Thank you for your important work. It is truly
appreciated. Sincerely, Molly Tami

Re: SFA's support of ISTAR

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/15/98
Time: 12:54:41 PM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.158

Comments

Thank you so much for your nice comments! 

-Jane


Re: SFA's support of ISTAR

From: Jaan Pill
Date: 10/15/98
Time: 7:45:43 PM
Remote Name: 207.34.226.35

Comments

Jane, 

I visited ISTAR for a refresher clinic in July 1997, I learned at that time that financial support for ISTAR from
SFA has resulted in tremendous benefits for a large number of people. I had meant to express my personal
thanks, as a person involved with volunteer work with CAPS, for the support that you have given ISTAR.
Now I can see an opportunity, through this online conference, to finally express my thanks. 

I have also met a number of very dedicated, resourceful, and clinically skillful Canadian speech-language
pathologists who have attended Hugo Gregory's intensive summer workshops at Northwestern University for
graduate speech professionals from around the world. The program offers a first-rate training program for
clinicians who wish to further enhance their credentials in the area of stuttering treatment. These workshops
are highly valuable and are highly regarded. I am aware that SFA provides generous financial support for
these workshops, which are attended by clinicians from around the world. 

I wish to express sincere and heartfelt thanks to SFA for all of your fine work. 

Jaan Pill Coordinator, Canadian Association for People Who Stutter

Re: SFA's support of ISTAR

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/16/98
Time: 3:50:05 PM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.130

Comments

Actually, the funds for ISTAR comes directly from the estate of Malcolm Fraser.


Re: SFA's support of ISTAR

From: Jaan Pill
Date: 10/17/98
Time: 7:40:12 AM
Remote Name: 207.34.213.199

Comments

Good to have the correction. I'll mention that in CAPS publicity concerning SFA. 

Jaan

Administrative expenses

From: Ira Zimmerman
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:48:01 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

You wrote: "We work very hard at concentrating expenditures on program services -- in 1997 less than 5%
went for administrative expenses, including a minuscule 6/10 of 1% for fund raising." 

Could you clarify what you classify as administrative expenses? Does that include salaries, rent, costs of
printing and distribution of printed and video tape material, production of these materials, costs associated for
the production and distribution of Public Service Announcements, fees to Public Relations firms and SLPs,
telephone costs, etc. All this for around $40,000 or 5% of your annual $800,000 budget. Wow, I'm
impressed.



Low Cost Referrals

From: Brooke
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:49:03 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Mr. Malcolm Fraser is admired for his charitiable act of using some of his wealth from NAPA auto parts to
establish SFA. 

Unfortunately my family is not as well off. Most of SFA’s referrals for speech therapy charge fees that we
can’t afford. 

Does SFA have a policy that SLPs who are trained at your Northwest University workshop give some of that
back in low cost therapy? 

I realize that for many years SFA has been a support and educational organization for SLPs. In the future, has
SFA considered focusing more on the support of children and adults who stutter, especially those who can’t
afford the usual high cost of speech therapy 

Re: Low Cost Referrals

From: Ira Zimmerman
Date: 10/19/98
Time: 9:37:44 AM
Remote Name: 207.115.62.14

Comments

Brooke, 

SInce SFA seems to be giving you the cold shoulder and not answering your question, let me try. 

You asked, >Does SFA have a policy that SLPs who are >trained at your Northwest University workshop
>give some of that back in low cost therapy? 

I've known two Speech Pathologists who have gone to the SFA/Northwest University Workshop for fluency
specialists. There was no commitment to give back the free education received in any low cost therapy for
stuttering. Although I know of a few fluency specialists in private practice who have a sliding scale of fees
based upon the client's financial situation. 


Re: Low Cost Referrals

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/20/98
Time: 9:00:36 AM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.136

Comments

We provide self-therapy materials to all public libraries for those who cannot afford therapy. We hear from
many people whose lives have been turned around by these materials. In two weeks we will make available a
55 minute videotape which offers many self-therapy ideas.

Re: Low Cost Referrals

From: Ira Zimmerman
Date: 10/21/98
Time: 9:56:23 AM
Remote Name: 207.115.62.86

Comments

I've heard that a referral service is being started in the U.S. that will negotiate lower cost rates with Fluency
Disorder Specialists. Although they are waiting for the ASHA fluency disorder speciality recognition to be
established 

This would be similiar to the Preferred Providers that medical insurance companies use. It seems like a good
idea to me.


Full time staff

From: Brooke
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:49:57 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Does SFA employ stutterers on its full time staff? 

While I thought that SFA's video for teenagers had some very good advice, I was disappointed that SFA hired
young moderators who didn't stutter for the video. We who stutter could have used the work.

Re: Full time staff

From: 
Date: 10/19/98
Time: 11:06:40 AM
Remote Name: 207.115.62.17

Comments

Brooke, 

Since Jane Fraser seems to be giving you the cold shoulder, I'll try to answer your question. 

You asked 

>Does SFA employ stutterers on its full time staff? 

I'm not too sure. But whenever I've called SFA, the person who answered the line didn't stutter. On the other
hand, the National Stuttering Project has two full time staff members, one who stutters (their Executive
Director) and one who doesn't (Office Manager). And some of the volunteers who answer the NSP telephone
stutter. I know what it was like for us to overcome our fear of the telephone. So I like to hear another stutterer
answer the NSP telephone. 

You asked, >While I thought that SFA's video for teenagers >had some very good advice, I was disappointed
>that SFA hired young moderators who didn't >stutter for the video. 

NSP has a video for teens 


Administrative Costs

From: Evelyn Thau
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:50:33 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

I'm impressed with your 5% administrative costs. Are staff salaries, public relations(press releases and
advertising), telephone costs and the cost of speech consultants included? What is the real dollar amount for
administrative costs?


Re: Administrative Costs

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/15/98
Time: 1:08:20 PM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.158

Comments

Administration cost for 1997: $36,573 

Total for Program Services: $916,835 


Celebrity Spokespersons

From: Evelyn Thau
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:51:15 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

I commend a lot of SFA's public awareness program. But I have some doubts about your choice for celebrity
spokespersons. 

What is SFA's criteria for the selection of celebrity spokesmen? And why no women so far? 

Some of your choices have been controversal? For example, Mel Tillis has allowed his stuttering to be
mimicked and made fun by others on the stage and in films he has appeared in. This has offended some of us
who stutter and models rude behavior toward us. And John Stossel has opposed stutterers exerting their rights
under the Americans With Disabilities Act and he has falsely accused the National Stuttering Project of
something they never did.



Re: Celebrity Spokespersons

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/15/98
Time: 1:01:04 PM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.158

Comments

Thanks for your comments. We have asked several women to act as our spokesperson, but they declined. 

-Jane


NBC Nightly News With Tom Brokaw

From: Ira Zimmerman
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:52:17 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Were you misquoted when you appeared with then President ASHA President Charlene Seymour and I on a
1996 NBC Nightly News segment on Porky Pig? 

As you remember the correspondent charactized SFA's position of "Get a life" to Dr. Seymour and my
position against Porky being used to bully children who stutter. If you were misrepresented, why hasn't SFA
contacted Dr. Seymour and I to correct that misunderstanding.



Workshop for Specialists

From: Andy Floyd
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:53:50 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

Ms. Fraser, 

I am a second year SLP grad student and I was wondering if there are any qualifications one has to have in
order to be accepted into the yearly workshop for specialists. I have heard that acceptance is getting tougher
because of all the applicants. Are CFY's elgibile? Or is it just for those with their C's. Is there anything that
the SFA looks for when deciding who to accept? 

Hopefully I'll be able to meet you this year in San Antonio. I wanted to the last couple of years but felt silly
because I didn't know what to say except to introduce myself :)


Re: Workshop for Specialists

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/15/98
Time: 1:12:03 PM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.158

Comments

Come by our booth in San Antonio and say hello. 

If you give me your mailing address I'd be glad to send you information on the workshop. 

-Jane


Cheap shots and second guessers

From: Bob Quesal
Date: 10/14/98
Time: 8:54:30 PM
Remote Name: 134.29.30.79

Comments

It's very easy to sit on the sidelines and take pot shots at the SFA, particularly when one has an agenda one
wishes to promote. Unfortunately, I guess, SFA isn't perfect which seems to be what some posters are asking
for. I will always be indebted to the SFA for the book "To the Stutterer" which I read in 1973, and which
turned my life around. SFA does SO MUCH good work and does it very well. Your father, Malcolm, is to be
credited for coming up with the idea for the SFA, and you deserve our undying thanks for keeping his dream
alive, and in fact furthering it. Keep up the good work--you'll always have my support.


Re: Cheap shots and second guessers

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/15/98
Time: 1:13:16 PM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.158

Comments

Thanks so much for your kind comments. 

-Jane


Re: Cheap shots and second guessers

From: Evelyn Thau
Date: 10/16/98
Time: 11:55:37 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.193.49

Comments

Bob, 

Can't you think of anything to help make SFA a better, more perfect organization?


Telephone Calls Brochure

From: Evelyn Thau
Date: 10/15/98
Time: 6:29:42 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.201.48

Comments

I hope you don't consider me a pest but as SFA is looking ahead. does SFA plan to revise their brochure for
making telephone calls? 

Some stutterers like author Marty Jezer are helped with the use of certain electronic devices when making
telephone calls. Would SFA consider adding this option to their brochure on making telephone calls?

Re: Telephone Calls Brochure

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/16/98
Time: 3:44:36 PM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.130

Comments

Anything that works is certainly worth letting people know about. 


Minimal Charges for Books

From: Valerie Johnston
Date: 10/16/98
Time: 4:08:05 PM
Remote Name: 209.30.14.205

Comments

Hi Jane, 

As usual you did a great job of presenting the history of the SFA. I just want to make a comment about the
minimal charge for the books. In addition to eliminating requests from those who aren't really interested, you
may also be increasing the appreciation of the books for those who do order them. It has been my experience
that when people have to pay for something they appreciate it more than if they received it for nothing. 

Keep up the good work. Those videos are great. I know you are reaching more people now because a lot
more people who contact me say they have already concted the SFA when I suggest that they get some of your
publications. 

Sincerely, 

Valerie


Re: Minimal Charges for Books

From: Ira Zimmerman
Date: 10/18/98
Time: 12:47:30 PM
Remote Name: 209.156.100.29

Comments

Valerie, 

You wrote: >It has been my experience that when people >have to pay for something they appreciate it >more
than if they received it for nothing. 

I disagree. Getting stuff for free is always better than having to pay for it. When I get a free night at a hotel or
a free airline ticket, I really appreciate that. I remember when the Executive Director for the National Stuttering
Project loved getting the royal treatment with a free airline ticket and stay at a first class hotel in New York
City. He was brought to New York to appear on the CBS News magazine program, "Eye To Eye With
Connie Chung." I also appreciate an invitation to a free advance screening of a new film. 

Free is definitely better.

Re: Minimal Charges for Books

From: Valerie Johnston
Date: 10/20/98
Time: 8:06:40 PM
Remote Name: 209.30.13.76

Comments

Ira, 

I agree with you that free is good when it's provided as an award or an honor, or even as a personal gift. But I
do maintain that the perceived value of an object (to wit, a book)is diminished when it's provided to anyone
just for the asking. 

Valerie


Re: Minimal Charges for Books

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/21/98
Time: 9:02:27 AM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.148

Comments

Valerie, 

We agree with you. It's human nature-when you pay for something yourself, the more you value it. 

Jane


Re: Minimal Charges for Books

From: Ira Zimmerman
Date: 10/21/98
Time: 9:46:26 AM
Remote Name: 207.115.62.86

Comments

Following your logic, I suppose SFA should charge more for their material so that they will be valued more
by those that order them. 

Or one should at all costs avoid items that are discounted. Paying the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price
will do so much more for your self-esteem.


Thanks for all the info!

From: Amy Voss and Wendy O'Rourke
Date: 10/19/98
Time: 1:05:20 PM
Remote Name: 206.10.222.10

Comments

We are both graduate students at Mankato State and are taking a Stuttering seminar presented by Judith
Kuster. Our assignment was to read some papers and post a comment of question. As my partner and I
discussed the information that you presented in your article about the history, present times, and future of the
Stuttering Foundation, we were amazed at how far it has come. We wanted to take this time to thank you for
your wonderful instights on the road that it has taken and what may come down the road. It is really amazing
how something that starts out so small can become so important. We find ourselves not feeling as small as we
may have thought and that we all can make a difference if we put our minds and hearts into it. Thanks again!! 

Amy Voss and Wendy O'Rourke


Re: Thanks for all the info!

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/20/98
Time: 9:02:09 AM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.136

Comments

Thank you! We appreciate your comments.



Thanks -- SFA

From: Steve Hood
Date: 10/20/98
Time: 11:59:02 AM
Remote Name: 199.33.133.50

Comments

There is no question that the SFA has made significant contributions during the past 50 years. We should all
be appreciative of the fine work started by Malcolm, and continued by Jane Fraser. 

I would have hoped that one or two people would not have elected to use this ISAD as a platform for their
person agendas, but alas, I fear this has been the case. No single group can perfectly meet the needs of a
diverse constituency. None-the-less, the SFA has certainly had a positive impact on countless children,
adolescents and adults who stutter, as well as their family members and friends. The SFA has benefitted both
students and working professionls. 

THANKS, JANE. Thanks for your fine work.


Re: Thanks -- SFA

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/21/98
Time: 9:03:24 AM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.148

Comments

Thank you so much for your kind comments! 

Jane


Hello from Brazil !

From: Claudia
Date: 10/22/98
Time: 6:14:57 AM
Remote Name: 200.230.230.207

Comments

Hi, Jane 

Today is the "Day". We are doing a seminar (at 7:30 PM) I hope it could be a success. By, Claudia



Re: Hello from Brazil !

From: Jane Fraser
Date: 10/22/98
Time: 10:47:23 AM
Remote Name: 208.14.113.162

Comments

Claudia, 

Congratulations! We hope it's a success. 

Jane