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65th MSSA Senate
February 18,1998 4:00 PM
Meeting called to order at 4:03 by Speaker Jason Kocina
I. Roll Call Senators Present: Senator Maya Beatty 4-0-0, Senator Bob Pavlenko 12-0-0, Senator Garth Benson -proxy Jen Hibbard 15-0-4, Senator Pete Schwane 3-0-0, Senator Jim Jacobson 16-1-2, Senator Kate Jacobsen 19-0-0, Senator Matt Anderson 19-0-0, Senator Allison Plathe-proxy Allison McGee 10-3-6, Senator Maruf Rafik 3-6-10, Senator Sylvia Oelberg 9-0-3, Senator Dan Van Every 17-1-1, Senator Vicki Edwards -Merton 17-0-2, Senator Cindy West 16-3-0, Senator Joost Dettmeijer 3-0-0, Senator Melissa Bergeron 18-1-0, Senator Seth Swanson 17-1-1, Senator Scott Silver 18-0-1, Senator John O'Hara 14-2-3, Senator Amy Enter 10-1-1, Senator Michael Vawracz- 11-6-2, Senator Kyle Jarvis- 11-0-1, Senator Jesse Palmer 16-2-1, Senator Melanie Wolters - 14-2-3 Senators Absent: Senator Jason Kanz-9-7-3, Senator Lucretia Burgess 4-7-1 Executive Staff Present: President Brian Dietz 18-1-0, Vice President Jason Patten 19-0-0, Legislative Affairs Coordinator Peni Blakley 13-4-0, Treasurer Jen Hibbard 6-0-0, Cultural Diversity Coordinator Allison McGee 12-5-0, Cultural Diversity Coordinator Jesse Gonzalez, Campus Coordinator Scott Silver
- Student Forum Ted Titknor-Representative of KRNR-KRNR is a great attribute to MSU. Helps people communicate, Music Majors, Mass Communications. Can promote many events. Zoe Kingsbury, DJ at KRNR, feels strongly that KRNR is a valuable resource, it is a tradition, it is a landmark. KRNR is a personality. It is very important to have that, no one likes the town of Mankato very much, but KRNR can help Mankato glow. Vicki Edwards-Merton-What is the opinion of the university in regards to the university selling Penthouse, Playboy etc.? Dustin Mayfield-Reviewed two motions of last week. Implore you to make a choice, time has come.
III. Old Business
a) KRNR Motion B#02.11.98D Resolved: the MSSA Senate express its commitment to the continued operation of KRNR, be it further Resolved: the cost of KRNR's relocation be met with SAF funds as are needed. Be it further Resolved: KRNR's relocation take place subsequent to the preparation of an appropriate space for KRNR, as defined by the Communications Board and MSSA Senate Senator Bakke-approached by graduate students that felt KRNR should be discontinued unless an appropriate level of support is given, meaning going to FM. From our research we know this is not a feasible possibility. Task we face is to be a delegate or a Burkean Trustee, it is appropriate that we have to do it, and think of constituents for years to come. Vice President Patten-see written report from Scott Hagebak regarding cost of moving KRNR to Gretels. Senator Van Every-Basically I think it would be a grave injustice to vote in favor of moving KRNR and than to not support it. After looking at facts, KRNR has been mismanaged and misrepresented. How much money and time do we put into the Reporter? If the money were invested in KRNR how much could they bring in? Senator Jacobson-we have a redundancy here. We have KMSU, there needs to be opportunities for people, but couldn't funds be used for opportunities at KMSU. Senator Plathe-proxy McGee-were these costs the lowest costs for moving KRNR and where did they come from? Vice President Patten-these are estimates, but fairly close. Senator Plathe-proxy McGee-how much is KRNR worth? Vice President Patten-$150,000 has been spent on it. Senator Benson-proxy Hibbard-in terms of overall worth, there really is not a dollar amount. KRNR is more for people working there. Vice President Patten-presented information from Jon Bauer-KRNR regarding the inventory of equipment.
Senator Bergeron-the right of freedom of speech is an important right we have. KRNR provides that freedom of speech. The radio station we have now is not accessible to students. Students want a station but they do not listen to it. We are voting for students for years to come. Senator Plathe-proxy McGee-other organizations have also taken out loans only one has paid back the loan. Vice President Patten-some money would go back to reserve. Senator Oelberg-there is not anyone here that can give us facts. Senator Bakke-it is my expectation and hope that if the senate plans to only move them then we should be committed to helping them. Senator West-I don't want to see students efforts wasted, we should give them credit. Senator Edwards-Merton-think of your alternative motives, down the road. Don't support if we are going to cut. Senator Anderson-I believe if the opportunities are not there, we need to get them there. How many students are listening. I am involved with KRNR, but few students call in. If we agree to support, we have to go all out. They need to be a proper radio station. Senator Jacobson-the student activity fund is where we get our money, and that amount of money is going down every year. Senator Benson-proxy Hibbard-if you don't know if opportunities are there, you have not looked into it. There are opportunities there. Enrollment is down, Student Activity Fees are down. Allison McGee-have asked many people and staff if there is time for DJ's at KMSU, I have not gotten a response. Yield to the gallery Leah Pederson-MPR gets funding from people that phone in. DJ's don't want to stick to requirements from MPR, they want to express themselves. They want the vehicle of KRNR. At KMSU they could not play what they want to play if they were involved in Public Radio. Roger Baardson-students from KRNR could get involved with South Central Technical College. It does have the opportunity to be self-sufficient. Leah Pederson-KRNR can be accessible, you only need to buy a splitter. Zoe Kingsbury-KRNR has free expression, public radio does not Sara Pierce-if you decide to move you better make sure you will not waste money. Compromise if you want to get involved in radio. Students do go to KMSU and get involved, but they do compromise in regards to the type of music etc. President Dietz-I can not argue with freedom of expression-do not debate issue, but does this issue cover the entire university organization, other organizations have different ways of expression. Responsibility is the issue-we have the responsibility of moving the station. How much to go to FM? $100,000 for FM, $50,000 for staffing, etc. Is that money well spent. "The greatest good for the greatest number" KRNR is not the greatest good. Senator Drganc-proxy Bauer-went to KMSU last year, it did not fit into the general description of a college radio station, it did not have student management.
We bought splitters and gave them to students, they have been doing their job. Senator Swanson-call question motion fails Senator Pavlenko-KRNR has students in management positions, music directors, there is no positions like this at KMSU. Yield to the gallery Dustin Mayfield-His grandfather worked in a college radio station, it should be student run. John Aase from Reporter-we are not being fiscally responsible here, many organizations have made an effort, many organizations have been told by senate to be fiscally responsible, and they are doing fundraising, fiscal responsibilities is the issue. Zoe Kingsbury-how can we pull ourselves up when we get stepped on every time. Senator Enter-on SAC when people ask for money, they present a proposal, they are often told they must have a written plan for providing some of their own funding, KRNR has not presented this. Senator Vawracz-If KRNR is moved downstairs, how will this help the disruption their music is currently causing to individuals? President Dietz-how does one organization's expression supersede another?
This body has tried to help KRNR over years. When do we say when? Senator Oelberg-Senate does not take responsibility. If we put out money, then we should be responsible. Senator Edwards-Merton-if we move KRNR, it will intrude there also. It will still infringe on rights. Coordinator Blakley-There are different angles to take, freedom of speech, press, fiscal responsibility, if we keep KRNR student fees will have to go up to pay for that. Do students want that. People at KRNR have worked very hard, it is also a cable radio, many radios can not get it. KMSU-has played music that is not Jazz, they have played alternative, R&B, etc. Senator Plathe-proxy McGee-we tabled this motion so people could be here.
This is not a debate. Senator Jacobson-I feel for people of KRNR, but KRNR can not be self-sufficient, advertising is not profitable. Also a FM frequencies is not available at this time. Senator Edwards-Merton-spoke with KRNR about fundraising, tried to help them. Senator Dettmeijer-call the question Motion Carries Roll Call Senators voting yes Bob Pavlenko, Allison Plathe-proxy Allison McGee, Cindy West, Melissa Bergeron, Seth Swanson, Jesse Palmer Senators voting no Maya Beatty, Garth Benson, Pete Schwane, Jim Jacobson, Kate Jacobsen, Matt Anderson, Maruf Rafik, Sylvia Oelberg, Vicki Edwards-Merton, Kyle Jarvis, Chris Elvebak, Scott Silver, John O'Hara, Melanie Wolters, Amy Enter Senators Abstaining Dan Van Every, Joost Dettmeijer, Michael Vawracz, Jen Drganc-proxy Jon Bauer, Executive Staff voting no President Brian Dietz, Vice President Jason Patten Senators voting with rights Senator Drganc-proxy Bauer: Senator Drganc gave me the option to either abstain or vote no for the KRNR issue. Due to the fact that several off-campus students have asked me to support the station. I can not vote against it.
This with my personal involvement with the station has made me choose to abstain on the issue. Senator Dettmeijer: I work at KRNR and I think voting otherwise is a conflict of interest. Senator Plathe-proxy McGee: I am not sure of what Allison would want me to vote ( I have my own vote of no but it has personal opinion or judgment. Senator Oelberg: I vote because Senate continues to give out money without follow through. Senate has not bee representing the students or the people involved in KRNR accordingly, Senate is at fault. Senator Pavlenko: I again elected to abstain from voting on this issue. Again, I have been lobbied by several students of my college as well as students from other colleges, all uninvolved with KRNR. They sought me out to tell me that they want the station, and they did not want me to abstain from voting. I am complying with their wishes. Motion Fails Senator Bakke-take from table the motion on KRNR Coordinator Blakley-this motion would only suspend, KRNR wants an answer. Senator Pavlenko-the time has come for a defiant answer. Eliminating media in any form is a detriment.
Senator Plathe-proxy Mayfield-the last motion was the only motion to keep KRNR, since that failed. We need to end KRNR. Senator Oelberg-proxy Blakley, ask Malcolm if new this motion would be illegal. Malcolm O'Sullivan-not that I know of. Senator Oelberg-proxy Blakley-support Vice Presidents motion to change suspend to end. Motion carries Vote on motion to change suspend to end. Resolved, the MSSA Senate request that the university end operation of KRNR with all possible speed.
Roll Call #2 Senators voting yes Maya Beatty, Garth Benson-proxy Jen Hibbard, Jim Jacobson, Eric Bakke, Allison Plathe-proxy Allison McGee, Maruf Rafik, Sylvia Oelberg, Dan Van Every, Vicki Edwards-Merton, Joost Dettmeijer, Michael Vawracz, Kyle Jarvis, Chris Elvebak, Scott Silver, John O'Hara, Melanie Wolters, Amy Enter Senators voting no Bob Pavlenko, Cindy West, Seth Swanson, Jesse Palmer Senators abstaining Senator Drganc-proxy Bauer Executive Staff voting yes President Brian Dietz, Vice President Jason Patten Senators voting with rights Senator Pavlenko: I have stated my reasons for voting already, they still stand, I am doing as I have been asked. Motion Carries R# 02.18.98.A Resolved, the MSSA Senate request that the university end operation of KRNR with all possible speed. Suspend Rules for Senator Jarvis report Senator Jarvis-motion Whereas: The MSSA has made the decision to discontinue the operation of KRNR, per MSSA Senate Resolution R#02.18.98A and Whereas: There is expensive equipment in KRNR that the MSSA Senate is legally responsible for, therefore be it Resolved: That all assets of KRNR be returned to the Mankato State University
Student Activity Fee General Fund Resolved: That all building passes for any part of KRNR be revoked, effective immediately, and be it further Resolved:
That admittance to KRNR to retrieve personal belongings be allowed only in the presence of a paid MSSA Senate Executive staff member, and be it further Resolved: That the MSSA Senate ask that CSU Operations recore all locks in any of the KRNR doors. Senator Jarvis-this is not a personal attack, but there are expensive things down there that we need to get back. Senator Oelberg-has been approached from students who had concerns about equipment. Through discussions it was decided that to protect equipment, and concerns brought forward it was necessary for this motion. We realize that people do have personal items and we will help them retrieve them. Senator Bakke- Senator Pavlenko-is this motion necessary? Senator Pavlenko-to an extent I do believe it is because executive staff can not be there all the time. Don't know if this is necessary. Senator Bakke-given Senator Pavlenko's answer, I don't believe this is a good idea. Senator Edwards-Merton-lets keep some dignity. Senator Van Every-we must progress cautiously, but feel it is necessary, but someone needs to be responsible for what happens to equipment. Senator Plathe-proxy Mayfield, amend to Senator Pavlenko. Senator Pavlenko knows KRNR better than our staff. Senator Bakke-this would allow KRNR to work with someone they know and is unobtrusive. Vice President Patten-purpose of this was to take pressure off KRNR staff. The smaller number of people that have access the better it is. Senator Drganc-proxy Bauer-there is not much there but the CDs and tape player. Not to concerned about this. Michelle Murzyn-as SAC Chair, I feel it is important to designate one or two people to go in. Every night there are over 20 people going in and out. Senator Oelberg-proxy Blakley-if liaison Pavlenko want s that responsibility, that is OK. Wording was in case he did not want it. Senator Pavlenko-when I accepted this job, I knew it might be for cancellation. I know equipment, I will take responsibility. Motion- as amended R#02-18-98-B Whereas: The MSSA has made the decision to discontinue the operation of KRNR, per MSSA Senate Resolution R#02.18.98A and Whereas: There is expensive equipment in KRNR that the MSSA Senate is legally responsible for, therefore be it Resolved: That all assets of KRNR be returned to the Mankato State University Student Activity Fee General Fund Resolved: That all building passes for any part of KRNR be revoked, effective immediately, and be it further Resolved: That admittance to KRNR to retrieve personal belongings be allowed only in the presence of KRNR Senate Liaison, and be it further Resolved: That the MSSA Senate ask that CSU Operations recore all locks in any of the KRNR doors. Motion carries Senator Anderson-this motion is relevant, I have seen vandalism in the past week Senator Enter-dollar amount should be put on inventory. Senator Jarvis-Eight people attended MSUSA Lobby Day. Very productive, most legislators were very understanding of our concerns, Athletics, etc. Rally was fun. Regarding Opatz Bill-Rep. Opatz referred questions on his motion to St. Cloud State. I am doing what I am because at the MSUSA Conference I woke up. Things that were going on bothered me. Just observing does not do any good, I am now getting people thinking. My motives are to do what is right, I am talking and listening to my constituents.
IV. Board & Committee Reports
a) Student Allocations Committee Student Allocations Committee Recommendation #20 M#R#02.18.98C Move to recommend a supplemental request of up to $560.00 to Intramural Sports for the Men's Volleyball Team to attend the Men's club Volleyball National Tournament, contingent upon their qualification. This money is to be used for transportation, fees, and lodging. Motion carries unanimously Student Allocations Committee Recommendation #21 Theater Arts Supplemental Motion R # 02 .18.98D Move to allocate up to $2,500.00 to the Department of Theater Arts to reimburse expenses incurred from the Region V gathering of the Kennedy Center's American College Theater Festival. Motion Carries unanimously
b) Academic Affairs Committee-Jim Jacobson Unanimous Motion out of Committee Resolved: that MSAA Senate rescind it's request that the space currently occupied by KRNR be changed into a computer lab, and be it further Resolved: that the MSSA Senate instead request that this space be changed into an academic advising office and student lounge. Senator Jacobson-This could be used as an Academic Advising center because of location, this would be best for students. Also a lounge for students. Vice President Patten-did President Rush give you positive feedback in regard to location? Senator Jacobson-did not discuss location with Dr. Rush. Coordinators are all in support of Advising Center. Vice President Patten-strictly in your opinion do you honestly feel that this is a realistic proposal? Senator Jacobson-we could try this as a one year program. Malcolm O'Sullivan-Administration respects Senate's right to pass what they want, Senate has the prerogative to vote how they want. Senator Bakke-there might be some challenges with the Advising Center part. The lounge part is a good idea. The plausibility of the Academic Advising Center is a good idea, whereas there are a host of problems that go along with a Computer Lab. Senator Plathe-proxy Mayfield-there are staffing problems, equipment problems, many different aspects. Senator Vawracz-this is ridiculous, this is a Union Board issue. Senator Anderson-an Advising Center is much better because of what happens in the Computer Center. More study area is needed. Senator Pavlenko-we lose students because of advising, if we could provide this opportunity it would assist more students. Senator Oelberg-proxy Blakley-move to refer to Union Board. 2nd Senator Jarvis This is the Centennial Student Union, they deal with space, it should go to the board that deals with it. Senator Jarvis-passing this at this time would not be advantageous. Senator Pavlenko-passing this to Union Board would only delay the issue. Senator Bakke-I am opposed to this motion, committees are tool for this body. If we can accomplish it we do not need to exhaust other boards. Issues can be considered by more than one committee. Vote on Motion fails. President Dietz-This past summer we addressed advising center issues, a long list of possibilities were presented. Administration wants Advising to happen, but how does this happen? IFO concerns. There are Advising concerns, and ACC concerns, both concerns are viable. concerns-will the administration do something with this year this year? If not what is going to happen with that space? We would be sending two unclear messages. Maybe Dr. Rush, Dr. Boubel should address these issues to us. Eric Thomas, I have seen trends, Advising is an issue, seating seems an odd issue, this happened at Soap Opera times. Seating was not a demand, we have other resources for studying. I do not see people studying in Union. Senator Jacobson-three different proposals dating back to 1990. There is a hole in the second year. With semesters there could be a real problem. With the facilities we have, SRC's are willing to put in time. Advising now is like going to Walmart, you walk around and look for advising. The University has to be more service oriented. We have support for this. As a pilot program, we should try this. President Dietz-Advising is a huge issue, but we have support for a computer center. If Dr. Rush supported, I would agree. Senator Palmer-I think we have done too much already-we should stay with the computer lab. Senator Bergeron-Move to postpone for one week until we can get some answers from the administration. Senator Silver-agree with the idea of Advising, maybe there is another place to put advising. Senator Bakke-I think this is a good motion, we could benefit from negotiations. Senator Pavlenko-Academic Affairs has been working on this all quarter. Recess for 10 minutes-fails Senator Van Every-proxy Harmon, this motion was rushed through. Motion Resolved: the MSSA Senate direct the Student Union Board to develop recommendations to increase the number of tables and chairs available to students in the Centennial Student Union, before the beginning of finals week of Winter quarter. Senator Jacobson-lower level had been a study station, if union is open for 24 hours we need more space to study. Senator Plathe-proxy Mayfield-Library only has 8 group study stations. Senator Pavlenko-TV Lounge was a bad idea, this took away space we used for studying. Vice President Patten-did anyone talk to SDP&A about 24 hour study plans? Refer this back to committee, until a study can be made. Motion R #02.18.98E Resolved: the MSSA Senate direct the Student Union Board to develop recommendations to increase the number of tables and chairs available to students in the Centennial Student Union, before the beginning of finals week of Winter quarter. Motion passes unanimously
V. Approval of Minutes Correct spelling of Senator Vicki Edwards-Merton Minutes approved
VI. Officer Reports
a) President - Brian Dietz Rescheduled meeting with Dr. Rush. Met with Paul Wellstone, he was very receptive to students, he took notes. It was on higher education issues. We would like to take as many people as possible. When we get clarification from MSUSA we will make decisions. We want as many people as possible to go. The meetings will be very long. If you go be aware of this. Campus Representative-will notify you next week. Appointments: Dan Russel-Cultural Diversity, Brian Hasselman-SAC, Maya Beatty-Bookstore, Jacques Lewis-Elections Committee. Appointments approved. Ed McBride to International Programs Search committee. Appointment denied. Senator Edwards-Merton - can you give names for Delegates Assembly? President Dietz - holding back so that we can make sure as many people as possible can go. (A partial list was given.) Senator Edwards-Merton - preparation and driving must be considered. Will students be reimbursed for vehicles? President Dietz - I will review that with MSUSA and the Budget Committee.
b) Vice President - Jason Patten Whereas: The outcome of the on-going negotiations between the IFO and Minnesota State effect the students of Mankato State University, therefore be it Resolved: That both parties involved pursue a compromise to avoid a Faculty strike, and work together to ensure the continued quality education of Mankato State student and the other comprehensive institutions involved. Vice-President Patten - we are asking both sides to get their act together. Legislative Coordinator Blakley - this states that it is our education on the line and that is important to us. Proxy Harmon - I agree with the intent but we are in effect forcing the two sides to take action. Vice President Patten - would wording such as "request" make this a better motion. Jarvis move to amend by addition; Jarvis - We are not in a position to demand anything from either side. Amendment passes. Whereas: The outcome of the on-going negotiations between the IFO and Minnesota State effect the students of Mankato State University, therefore be it Resolved: That MSSA Senate requests that both parties involved pursue a compromise to avoid a Faculty strike, and work together to ensure the continued quality education of Mankato State student and the other comprehensive institutions involved. Motion carries unanimously. c) Speaker - Jason Kocina A seat from the Allied Health & Nursing will be up for election next week. Has been with 24 Recognized Student Organization. Most only use SDP&A as a mailbox. The following organization were recognized: Registration Renewal Society of Manufacturing Engineers, Student Nurses Association, Alpha Lambda Delta University President's response to resolutions: R#02.11.98A Intramural/Recreational Sports loan. President approves. R#02.11.98B Ensuring Cultural Diversity Committee curriculum approval, the President requests that these requests be discused with the appropriate persons than then reviewed at the next MSSA Meet and Confer to see if this resolution needs the President's approval. R#02.11.98C MSSA subsidy for Cultural Diversity Coordinator position. The President approves this allocation. Senator Bakke - is there such a thing as non-Presidential appointments? Speaker Kocina - yes, Senators can appoint proxies.
VII. Staff Reports
- Leg. Affairs - Peni Blakley Senator Wellstone was on campus talking about class sizes, the Higher Education Reauthorization Act, TRIO, and loan forgiveness. He was primarily supportive of the students positions. Mark Dayton will soon be visiting the campus for a public gathering. The committee is preparing to pass a Federal Legislative Lobbying Platform. The DC delegation is beginning to meet on the issues. Senator Edwards-Merton - are the delegate meeting mandatory? Coordinator Blakley - yes. Senator Edwards-Merton - is it true that students will not be able to go on the trip if they don't attend. Coordinator Blakley - yes.
VIII. Senator Reports
a) Senator Bakke While I was a Speaker I forgot how hard it is to make a decision
b) Senator Bergeron Working with Student Affairs on surveys. Students are concerned with Minnesota State treating the IFO with respect and parking. She is working on a Minnesota State email list. Bla-Bla-Bla. Want to help promote Earth Day. Also following up with increasing recycling bins.
c) Senator Edwards-Merton Announced office hours. Encourage only serious members to attend Delegates Assembly. Will soon have proposed legislation on censorship on campus. Whereas: The Senate meetings have lasted on average more than two hours, and Whereas: Members of the Senate have needs that should be fulfilled (i.e. food, bathroom, stretching, etc.), therefore be it Resolved: That the Senate adopt the following as standing rule: to have a mandatory recess of ten minutes at 6:30 PM unless the meeting in the opinion of the Speaker is about to adjourn within five minutes. Senator Edwards-Merton - The intent is to give a break and help those on a meal plan. Also doesn't want to leave the meeting even to go to the washroom. Senator Jarvis - hoping this will help quorum and provide me a cigarette. Senator Bakke - stand opposed, especially if we have a full gallery. Senator Plathe-proxy Mayfield - I like to eat, therefore in favor. Speaker Kocina - I like to take a break too, and don't like leaving the Senate unattended. Also, the Speaker decides, by the Constitution, the agenda. Solely. However, the Speaker will abide by any request the Senate makes concerning this motion. Motion passes unanimously. Senator Edwards-Merton yields to Senator Jarvis. Senator Jarvis - my website should help explain my positions in Senate. Senator Edwards-Merton - I am working on writing legislation for an attendance policy next week.
IX. Announcements KRNR funeral parties will be this week and next by both sides of the aisles.
X. Adjournment Senator Bergeron - move to adjourn. Roll Call Senators voting yes Eric Bakke, Kate Jacobsen, Matt Anderson, Sylvia Oelberg, Vicki Edwards-Merton, Melissa Bergeron, Jen Drganc, Seth Swanson, Scott Silver, Jesse Palmer Amy Enter Senators voting no Bob Pavlenko, Allison Plathe-proxy Allison McGee, Joost Dettmeijer Senators Abstaining Kyle Jarvis Executive Staff voting yes Vice President Jason Patten Motion passes. The Speaker adjourns the meeting at 8:20 PM.