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Minnesota State University, Mankato
Minnesota State University, Mankato


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71st MSSA Senate

March 31, 2004

Meeting called order by Speaker Zach Biesanz

Roll Call

Senators Present (Present-Absent-Proxy-Excused)

Jessica Cichy 19-1-0, Elizabeth Lange 3-0-0, Abbas Raza 14-5-1, Nicole Schultz 9-0-0, Irfan Bangash-proxy Ruth Nieto 25-0-2, David Bottin 3-0-0, Greg Lessard 25-2-0, Taku Kurashige 7-0-0, Bryan Hart 24-0-2-1, Jani Grantz 3-0-0, Nathan Entinger 20-0-0, Adam Weigold 8-0-0, Kail Decker 20-0-0, Megan Brandt 26-0-1, Rachel Mudd 26-1-0, Trevor Fleck 7-0-1, Monica Brooks 3-0-0, Stacey Stump 4-1-0, Faizan M. Khan 25-2-0, Ryan Flynn 7-1-0,

Senators Absent

Muhammad Jiwani 12-7-0, Jeff Waldron 1-1-0, Mohammed Omar 6-2-0, Ian Radtke 25-2-0,

Executive Staff Present

Vice President Shahzad Anwer

Student Forum

Jason Casey-Former senator. Urge you to get more involved in MSUSA. I attended MSUSA Delegate Assembly last weekend. It was a frustrating experience this weekend because of past policy and because of the policy for making change. MSUSA has also had problems with personnel. We as MSU students give $140,000 to MSUSA. Past issues and current issues are what made St. Cloud and MSU take issue and want to support the withdrawing from MSUSA. I urge you to get involved

Senator Weigold-Did the letter say we were pulling out or unhappy with current personnel and policy?

Jason-The letter said we were unhappy with the current situation.

Senator Mudd-Is this in the Minnesota State policy?

Jason Casey-State statue says we have to be a member and pay dues.

President Gaffer-Can you speak of former government’s attitude regarding MSUSA?

Jason Casey-There have been some issues of certain board members elected, some have helped in many ways.

However, many did not take all interests to heart-there was a sway of prejudices, housekeeping was not done.

Presentations-ITS-On-line Elections, Ted Johnson/Jeff Hunstad

Mr. Johnson-Two months ago we were asked to develop an on-line election program. We are now far enough down the road that we can demonstrate. Jeff Hunstad is the developer. (Sample ballot)

Vice President Anwer-Can we add pin number? I believe it is the same pin number, but if we could have some

explanation before voting.

Senator Mudd-What descriptions of candidates are you referring to?

Ted Johnson-The description will be what we receive from the Election Committee.

Vice President Dean Trauger, Finance & Administration- Scott Johnson, Dean College of Business-2005 Budget

Student Consultation on FY04-05 Budget & Tuition Rates

FY 05 Tuition Rates-For FY05 the Board approved a proposed increase from $152.00-$175.00 per credit hours. The Band would increase from $1903-$2188. We have increased from 3.36% in FY 99-14.98% in 04 & 05 which is an 80.92% increase.

Why have tuition rates increased so much in recent years?

In FY 99 we received 63.01% per student appropriation from state. In projected 2005 appropriations it will only be 45.25% and we have 2600 more students. This does not take into account inflation. Inflation has been about 23%, so there has been a combination of things. A decrease in actual dollars and student funding. In FY 99 we had 10,939 students, in projected FY 05 we have 13,580. Factor in inflation and we basically have $5600.00. We should be spending. $8,000 per student. The appropriation loss-decline in per student funding is $13,539,260. Tuition has gone up 67 %, costs have increased by 23%.

2005 operating budget $107,888,668. Expenditure side-$107,767,332. We have to make assumptions on cost

increases, all labor contracts were not negotiated, utility costs, all other categories. Most contracts have been

completed with exception of faculty-we have tried to make revisions in fringe benefits. Employees were

asked to take on a percentage of insurance costs. Increases of 15-17% have not materialized. Utility costs-we purchased natural gas at a reasonable cost. We installed a more efficient boiler. We hope to see savings in that category. We have $1,942,448 million in revisions, our investments due to enrollment growth-$2,648,664.

We have not made the kind of investments to have appropriate staffing levels. We need to make adjustments in faculty staff to take into account an increase in faculty where we have had student growth replacement-

our 2004 Faculty/Student ratio was -24/1 as reported in US News We feel we have 23/1. We would like to be at 21/1. Only one school has a higher ratio in the US News report.

Vice President Olson-The upshot of problems is that class sizes are getting bigger and bigger. As of January,

we are closer to 25/1. The trend line is in the wrong direction. Department ratios range from 22/1 to 37/1. Not every subject matter needs the same ratio. If an Art class has only 18 easels, you can’t put 35 students in there. We take into account how many students can be in a class according to the discipline. Academic Affairs sets targets-Fine Arts are lower, Business is higher. The target is what faculty should generate. Actual is what they did generate. If there is an excess over target-we use SCH per FTE-there are 20-30 programs running way ahead of what they should be. Everyone else in Minnesota State is below us.

Dean Trauger- Tuition rates – Bemidji is the highest, two schools are lower in tuition, Moorhead and Metro. Winona charges more and hires more faculty. How do MSU’s FY05 proposed tuition rates compare to other universities? We are the 5th lowest.

Senator Flynn-Does that include charges, like (Winona) gets a laptop?

Dean Trauger-No, that is straight tuition.

President Gaffer-I appreciate both Vice Presidents being here today. In regard to handout, with program targets it is not student/teacher ration I’m assuming that is over. What happens with other services?

Vice President Olson-I did not mean only faculty, but advising and other services as well.

Senator Stump-With these numbers can you speak about why students want to come here?

Dean Trauger-Our faculty do an outstanding job given numbers, I think we can be proud of that as an

institution even though we have fewer faculty; they try to make it a good experience. This has crept up on us with tight budgets, this year we can try to get caught up. We do have many students coming from other

institutions and states, No & So Dakota, WI. 4 or 5 % of our students are non resident. We have various programs that attract.

Senator Mudd-With the surplus-what are university priorities?

Vice President Olson-The university has five priorities-diversity, distance learning, grad excellence, undergrad excellence, campus master planning. These are the things that strategically we need to put resources in.

Senator Khan-Is it true that Chartwells pays less and will they be paying their workers more?

Vice President Trauger-I will check and get information to Cheri, we are looking at giving student employees an increase, hopefully Chartwells will adjust. There is an interest in all student employees being paid the same.

Senator Cichy-What is fall projected enrollment?

Vice President Trauger-About a 1.5 percent increase, we continue to grow. We are trying to hold freshman class to 2200. The cut off will be April 1. We want a stable enrollment.

Sentor Bottin-The number of ratio for students and faculty what is that based on?

Vice President Olson-It is always based on number of students actually enrolled in class. The thing that matters about student/ teacher ratio is the smaller the class the more you get to know the faculty.

Senator Lessard-With the decision to cap enrollment-did it do what was expected? What were the trade offs?

Vice President Trauger-Being a regional comprehensive, state supported school, it is difficult to limit opportunities. We have tried to provide access, but we have had to limit freshman class because we did not feel we had the resources. It is hard to turn students down. We are trying to make an effort of increasing faculty/student ration. We have outstanding programs but we can not take more with out adding faculty. It is hard to say we are going to deny opportunity.

Senator Hart-The energy savings sounds like a good deal, how does the master plan include this in the design of

the new buildings?

Vice President Trauger-Hopefully the architects had erergy savings in mind. Otto arena will be much more energy efficient. As far as the new buildings, they do have to be designed with energy in mind. In the Union, we are trying to build a front door to the university, we want it to be a wow experience, it may not be as energy efficient as the other buildings..

President Gaffer-With FY 05 M&E budget for enrollment increase, does that include hiring new


Vice President Trauger-Yes

Senator Bottin-I am troubled about turning students away-has this been brought up to the Chancellor so

they can increase aid?

Vice President Trauger-That is one of the most difficult tasks the President and Vice Presidents have, that of

lobbying-there is a limited pie with 32 institutions, they all make a case for more money. We spend

a lot of time lobbying the legislators for more classrooms, repair etc.. We are working on improving the learning environment.

President Gaffer-With IFO not settled what kind of an impact will that have on the budget.

Vice President Trauger-It could impact, they are currently in mediation. We are hoping they will reach agreement before

school is out so we can be more specific on how many dollars we will have to hire more faculty. We hope

to have 20 new positions.

We appreciate the opportunity to discuss budget challenges. If you have questions, email.

Scott Johnson-Dean, College of Business

The projections being presented are based on expectation of enrollment and expectations of cost.

We expect about 30 students this year then 40, 80 hopefully up to 125, most students will take about 6 credits.

This is designed for working people that will take classes at night.

The differential tuition-$200 per credit hour in addition to regular grad student tuition.

Expenditures-We hope to hire two new faculty members, clinical executive faculty with combined salaries of $125,000. The supplies and equipment cost will go down after the first year. We anticipate one grad assistant the first year. Column E is cumulative revenue and cumulative expense. The differences are roughly $200,000. There is a deficit. Starting this program will require some money up front. No program is ever self sustaining. Tuition Comparisons-Many times companies pay for MBA classes. Compared to other MBA programs this is similar, we are proposing an additional tuition charge of $200.00 and we are low compared to other schools. More business schools are becoming self sustaining. This is a way students pay for their education. This is the model and trend line. Given that the money we are putting out there is modest, we are hoping to go to the Twin Cities and then we would be looking at $600.00 per credit. There is a huge demand that is

currently being eaten up by St. Thomas.

President Gaffer-Minnesota State has passed this program with the differential tuition, what are we going to

be seeing about student fees tacked on to this regarding technology so we can provide tech assistance

to students in distance learning?

Dean Johnson-At this time we are not looking at any other costs other than what normal grad students pay.

President Gaffer-Currently this is truly geared for on campus presence?

Dean Johnson-Yes.

Senator Stump-Why the additional cost for the MBA?

Dean Johnson-The short answer-the students will pay, it is specialized like law school, dental school.

Business schools are moving toward that model because of the competitive environment.

We could have low tuition but let in fewer students.

Vice President Olson-It is like a medical Dr. teaching.

Senator Flynn-Is it competitive? How many have applied?

Dean Johnson-We have had one applicant so far-it just went up this week.

Senator Flynn-How did you proportion out 30?

Dean Johnson-We are looking at 30 because of hiring only two new faculty and what we can currently

handle. The goal is to have a high quality program.

Senator Lessard-You mentioned you may have some teacher ratios you don’t like, this means you

will need more students, will you look at higher tuition for all business students? Will state college students be having to pay this high level of tuition?

Dean Johnson-We are not looking at that on the undergrad level, only the MBA. I have not heard of differential tuition on the undergrad level. Quality can be managed by the cost.

Vice President Olson-Conversation is going on with the faculty-they are settling on graduate school,

as that is a choice. No undergrad programs are looking at differential tuition. Differential can also be lower

compared to higher. Tuition is compared to what competitors are doing.

Senator Stump-You said you are going to be hiring two new faculty, are there not qualified faculty in the department now that could teach this?

Dean Johnson-There are, but we will take existing faculty that are highly qualified and bring in new for the undergrad.

Senator Schultz-What are the two new clinical executive faculty?

Dean Johnson-Someone with an MBA and that has been in the field working. They are very good in the classroom. They could be hired for about $50,000, compared to $100,000. Students like clinical professors.

Senator Hart-Explain student consultation process?

Dean Johnson-We have an advisory council, we have COSBO, we do not have current grad

students. We looked at the demand, and how could we make this happen.
Senator Hart-Like how many students were involved in process?

Dean Johnson-I don’t know if I can answer that. It has been one of those things that when the MBA program

went away it was always with the expectation that it would come back. It was never a matter of should we but when should we.

Approval of Agenda Change of Officer Reports before Committee Reports, E & F of Officer Reports added to Senator Reports.

Approval of Minutes (3-24-04) Minutes stand approved

Officer Reports

President Rhys Gaffer

Welcome Robin Miller-MSUSA Student Services Coordinator

Appointments: Nicole Raddatz Minnesota State Revenue Fund Advisory Committee

Senator Weigold-Object until we have information on appointment.

President Gaffer-This advisory committee was just made permanent. The Revenue fund is

totally student fee supported like resident halls. We are allowed one student from our campus.

I contacted Mikal Christian from RHA and gave him background on advisory just created. This

was targeted as that is the area we are hurting in and could use good representative. The Res

Halls could give good input to committee. This student is in the Res Halls.

Senator Cichy-Nicole is leaving at the end of the semester to attend St. Cloud, could she complete the appointment?

Senator Flynn-Did you ask Res Life about this?

President Gaffer-I told them that I would look to have an appointment of a minimum of a year,

hopefully two years. The first meeting is tomorrow-we might just have someone there for just

this meeting.

Senator Stump-Were there other students interested in doing this?

Senator Schultz-The university could work on out reach, she can pass the information on,

if the meeting is tomorrow we should have student representation.

Vice President Anwer-Does it matter if she goes to St. Cloud because this is a Minnesota State


President Gaffer-We need to forward approval by tomorrow to MSUSA so that we have


I attended the Nellie Stone Johnson dinner last week on behalf of the association. I have

a copy of Nellie Stone’s biography. The dinner raised over $20,000 for the endowment.

I spent several hours this week lobbying on higher ed issues. Today we spent several hours on the HF 1793 omnibus bill and managed to stop an amendment by Rep. Tim Wilkins hat would make all student fees optional and create an opt-in system. MSUSA Vice Chair Loewen complimented MSSA for its rapid response to help stop this amendment from coming to the floor. Still out there is a floor amendment adding riot language to the bill.

Graduate Mentorship program from the College of Education has requested differential tuition.

MSUSA Delegates Assembly and issues” At Delegates Assembly the Articles of Operation changes are made, the budget is set, State Chair is elected and Vice Chair. We tried very hard to change the

structure this weekend. The structure is a mess. For the amount of money we put in, we do not have a good proportional representation. We have had discussion throughout the year but there was no conciliation that happened as we went forward. It all felt like lip service. Under the advice of the delegation from Mankato-we walked away. There were not operational changes. We did this so we

could have discussion on changes. I did not do this lightly, I believe in the core of MSUSA but

at some point we need discussion on representation. We did deal with the personnel issues.

There were alumni there, we were not treated well. Frank Viggiano did not resign, he was

terminated on Sunday. We were not there, but there was quorum on Sunday to deal with this

issue. In talking with St. Cloud and drafting list of grievances in order to stay with MSUSA.

we need to be able to lobby rapidly. This has been a hard decision to make but it is necessary.

I look for guidance from this body. The delegates did a tremendous job this weekend.

Senator Mudd-Since it is mandated that Minnesota State schools participate, how would that work? Are

there legal issues?

President Gaffer-Yes, that fee is guaranteed and says they can collect .39 cents per credit hour.

This is based on full a year, we spend around $160,000, St. Cloud $170,000. We are half of the revenue of the organization. We would have to get a couple representatives and senators to help

with an initiative to take us out of the organization. 50-60% of their budget is based on conferences,

but we have to show more cause on why we choose to go out. We have included them this year

and still saw that they were not willing to work out differences. It was better for us to side

with St. Cloud.

Senator Hart-Is it possible to make the executive board a step down from the delegates?

President Gaffer-I am not trying to minimize but the board is dynamic, when you are student body president you are automatically placed on this board, we are trying to correct that. We should have an election process for that. This body could elect someone for that. We could have someone totally delegated to that time. This is student government but we are affiliated with a non profit organization. It is difficult to have a sense of history with the turnover. You then rely on professional staff. Relying

on only the director, we always wonder whose agenda we are putting him in.

Senator Hart-Is there a solution?

President Gaffer-The two solutions that would keep the status quo regarding the amount of money each school puts in would be proportionality. Any matter that comes before them should be given to those that put in the most money. Now-at the delegate level we have strength but it is difficult, at the board level we certainly need more proportionality especially with budget matter. We need a sliding detail-the budget is around $800,000 dollars. If every campus paid the same we could work with that but it is difficult now because of big school, small school mentality.

Vice President Shahzad Anwer

MSUSA is an organization of the seven state schools that includes us, we have a board that includes our school.

KMSU has been putting out news from us, I am going to request that the Election Committee

put out information on elections.

I was appointed to a task force for the Study Abroad Office. The task force has taken a turn,

they are trying to come up with where the office fits. The amount of work put in by task forces is phenomenal.

The Rental Forumis tomorrow at noon in the CSU.

It is your right to overturn something, but it does affect our credibility. It is better to discuss issues.

Award-Nate Entinger-for working hard and for being on SAC.

Coordinator Nieto-Is there a question to the funding?

Vice President Anwer-The organization does not look at funding, as far as the

Study Abroad program they do not even have a director right now. I researched

other schools and saw programs that have less the amount of people and more resources.

Speaker Zach Biesanz

Senate issues-leave issues with senate context, do not confront senators outside of the senate.

Next week we have Lt. Col. O’Sullivan and Interim Equal Opportunity & Title IX Office presenting-then

the motion we tabled regarding ROTC will be returned to the floor. Last week we approved a RSO and it was brought to my attention it did not meet the qualifications. I contacted them and they corrected it.

Flyering-keep an eye out for flyers that have not been approved. Take them down if they have not been approved.

In question/answer period try to only ask the question as simply as possible. It is hard

for presenters to deal with multi part questions.

Correspondence: From Mike Hodapp regarding MSSA recommendations.

R#02.05.04A. Minnesota State System Procedure 5.11.1 Part 3, Subpart L allows colleges and universities to charge a fee for technology related expenditures that provide or enhance student access to technology.

It requires the creation of a technology fee advisory committee to make recommendations to the president regarding expenditure of the revenue generated by the fee. Prior to making recommendations to the president the advisory committee is to inform the campus student association and seek advice and comment. A majority of the members of the committee are to be students. The procedure does not allow for each campus to develop its own procedure nor does it allor for additional conditions to be placed on the technology fee advisory committee as suggested by the Senate recommendation R#2.04.04A. Therefore, I am unable to support this recommendation. For your reference, I have attached a copy of the policy. Vice President Mark Johnson will convene the committee and be responsible for following the procedure as adopted by the Board of Trustees.

Speaker-I reviewed Minnesota State procedures and guidelines, it does not strike me as obvious that

we can’t add requirements to policy. There may be policies that say Minnesota State polices

can not be altered, I am not aware of that and will look into that further.

I encourage you all to run for senate again. You can be so much more effective

next year.

Vice President Anwer-I am left behind on the harassing issue.

Speaker-A senator mentioned they had been bothered by another senator outside of senate. As a general rule leave senate in senate.

Senator Hart-How long are flyers left up?

Speaker-I think until they are no longer current.

Senator Flynn-So in regard to President Davenport’s correspondence, did he override our ruling?

Speaker-This was a recommendation, we are recommending to him and he politely declined.

Senator Flynn-Could you by chance ask him to come to us and explain this?

Speaker-He said it was against Minnesota State policy for us to change Minnesota State policy.

Senator Weigold-Is that a pressing issue since appointed students are not showing up.

Senator Lessard-Was there a need to express that we wanted more students?

Senator Bottin-Did you reject the organization as it does not meet qualifications?

Speaker-They submitted a new constitution, and it does meet guidelines.

Senator Bottin-I thought in the discussion previously we would bring it back to be re-approved.

Speaker-I considered that but after deliberation the application was altered and the

constitution was changed. I would present it in the same manner that I did last week.

I don’t see any reason to go through that again.

Treasurer Adam Weigold

Regarding bylaw changes, are there any questions?

Committee Reports

SAC-Jeet Sausen (presented by SAC member Nate Entinger)

SAC R#03.26.04A

SAC recommends funding up to $2100.00 to MSU Men’s Volleyball to participate

at the National Volleyball Tournament in Charlotte, NC, April 7-11, 2004.

Senator Entinger-Half of the transportation cost was cut, using donations

Senator Cichy- Compared with Lacrosse, they did a lot of fund raising so we should not fund them at the same level.

Senator Wiegold- Disgusting how they have asked for so much and have not done a lot of fund raising.

Mr. Flynn-I am for this, if we give to one, we have to give it to the others. They are going to a national tournament.

Senator Hart-I would like to see Campus Rec funded on a per student basis as RSO’s.

Senator Hart-Move to amend to $1,000. Men’s Volleyball does a lot of good, but I think we should put our money where our mouth is and quit sending it to other parts of the country. They also get Campus Rec funding.

Senator Waldron-This is not the time to do this, we need to change the rules at a later date. The discussion is to give the funding now.

Senator Weigold-I agree we need to change the rules early next year.

Senator Cichy-We have had talk all year long about Campus Rec.

Senator Flynn-We have talked about it all year, after budget we should work on this. You can’t do this to just this one sport.

Senator Khan-It is too late to do this, we have set precedent.

Senator Hart-I withdraw motion.

Senator Omar-What was their full request?

Senator Entinger-Full request was $4315.00 The way SAC went about adjusting Lacrosse was cutting travel in half.

Recommendation passes

SAC R#03.26.04B

SAC recommends funding up to $200.00 to Golden Key International Honor Society

to attend a leadership conference in Madison, WI April 2-4, 2004.

Senator Entinger-There will be four students attending, they will bring back to

educate peers.

Senator Mudd-I support this, they do a lot of community work.

Recommendation passes

SAC R#03.26.04C

SAC recommends funding up to $550.00 to the MSU Student Art League to visit

co-op run galleries in New York, New York on April 14-18, 2004.

Senator Entinger-11 students will be attending, they will bring back information

on running a gallery in the CSU. They will be taking over the gallery-it will be more

student run.

Recommendation passes

SAC R#03.26.04D

SAC recommends funding up to $1602.65 be allocated to Forensics for participation in the Interstate Oratorical Association National Tournament in Glendale, AZ.

*Note: Funds would be reallocated from those unspent from the earlier allocation to participate at the AFA-NIET in Long Beach, CA.

Senator Entinger-This is not new money, this is money they did not spend and they are returning it.

This is a very old tournament, it is only for persuasion.

Senator Bottin-You said there is only one student going?

Senator Cichy-This is amazing that we can have a student in such an elite tournament.

Vice President Anwer-I support this, every state sends only two students, they are the best in the state. This is a big thing for us to have some one represented.

Senator Bottin-Is this an RSO?

Speaker-Forensics is a university sponsored organization.

Senator Raza-We should encourage this.

Senator Decker-They would include this in their budget but they don’t know if someone will qualify.

Senator Mudd-Two rooms?

Senator Entinger-They have a student and a coach.

Senator Hart-I don’t know, do we pay for coaches?

Senator Cichy-We did fund the coaches before. I don’t like the idea to fund coaches but we did this.

Senator Flynn-This is left over money-we would not be using any more money from SAC.

Senator Bottin-If this is university sponsored why does the university not pay for the coach?

Senator Raza-It is important for the coach to go.

Vice President Anwer-The coaches are required for training. We also have to provide a judge.

If we did not send a coach, we would have to pay more for the judge.

Recommendation passes

Tomorrow at 8:00 A.M. SAC is hearing Campus Rec, Friday at 1:00 is the Reporter and Athletics

at 1:30.

Senator Reports

SET-Dave Bottin

I will be attending SET advisory tomorrow and bringing information back.

We do need changes in the MSSA constitution, I will be bringing them here next week.

Senator Decker-Has the Constitution Committee been active?

Vice President Anwer-What kind of things are you looking at?

Senator Bottin-Clerical changes such as correcting the election month from May to April.

Off-Campus-Adam Weigold

I attended MSUSA Board of Directors and delegate assembly. Right now everything has to be approved by the Board of Directors-this is grossly unfair. Many delegates have strong feelings of animosity toward us and St. Cloud. St. Cloud and Mankato have had discussions on pulling out and forming our own organization. There were also unfair things in election of State Chair. Mankato and St. Cloud begged for change, they would not approve. MSUSA is hopeless, President Gaffer tried to make it more proportional, it was voted down. Delegates meets only once a year so it is difficult to make change. Persident Gaffer can say you have to help us or we will be out.

Senator Lessard-Why is it hopeless?

Senator Weigold-It is not completely hopeless if we can get changes made.

Senator Lessard-How does that model change the small school structure?

Senator Weigold-We are only saying if you don’t vote with us we will be out.

Senator Bottin-How does that affect the level of number on the Bd of Directors, How would we be proportionate?

Senator Weigold-There were motions brought to the floor. Currently we have one vote, it should say a particular president could have more votes than another.

Senator Lessard-In fair terms, what does a vote of no confidence do?

Senator Bottin-Would other universities go with you on these recommendations?

Senator Weigold-This is all hypothetical.

Speaker-I have a motion

M#03.31.04A Senator Weigold/Brandt Tuition increase

Whereas: Tuition has increased greatly in the previous six years and

Whereas: The Proposed increase will punish students ability to have access to

public education

Be it Resolved: MSSA does not support the proposed increase as part of our consultation rights

Be it further Resolved: The Minnesota State board of trustees has compromised the student consultation process by setting tuition rates over a two-year period with little opportunity for students to have proper consultation as the campus level for FY 05.

Senator Weigold-The motion says it all.

Senator Brandt-I agree

Senator Decker-With all the rising cost we have seen it would be good in heart but I

don’t think it would work out by inflationary standards.

Senator Weigold-This does not account for inflationary costs but we have assumed large increases.

Senator Bottin-We let big businesses like Exxon get away with rising costs. I don’t see why we should do it in state education.

Senator Decker-Exxon Mobile has a 3% profit margin.

Senator Hart-I would like to see the University profit margin.

Motion passes 11-6 2 abstentions

Senator Weigold/Senator Decker M#03.31.04 B MBA Program

Whereas: A MBA program would further MSU’S Accredited College of Business

Whereas: The costs associated with an MBA program are significant enough to warrant a higher per credit cost

Be it Resolved: The MSSA supports differential tuition for the MBA program.

Senator Decker-This program will give back to MSU.

Senator Schultz-I will vote against this because my constituency would not want it.

Senator Hart-I worry about differential tuition.

Senator Waldron-They have worked out the details and studied this more then

we have.

Senator Decker-Most terminal degrees are most costly.

Motion passes

Motion #03.31.04C Weigold/Cichy MSUSA

Move that MSSA has no confidence in MSUSA with its’ current structure.

Senator Bottin/Flynn-Table until we get more information from delegates, some may have a different point of view.

Motion tabled

Graduate Studies Stacey Stump

I have been working on a Graduate Student link in coordination between the SLD&SL and the Graduate Studies Office. The “Link” is just that. It would provide a way for graduate students, new to the campus and those that already exist, to connect. In addition it would allow for a way for graduate students to find housing needs, employment, and social needs.

This is in the beginning stages of development and some research is being conducted to be

able to develop this program and then presented to the graduate students in the up coming year.

Arts & Humanities-Elizabeth Lange

I have been talking with constituents, grad students needs are different plus they feel tuition is too high.

Grad students find space in any studio is scarce and needs to be addressed. Students feel visual arts like painting have a double standard. For example theater can have a nude play but if a life drawing is up on the wall in a show there are groups that ask for it to be taken down. Piggy backed classed do not give the student enough time with the professor. This hurts the beginners and the advanced. The professor needs to be taking care of the beginners. There are complaints that there is not a MFA program.

Other Senator things.

I went to the MSUSA Delegates Assembly this weekend. I am going to committee meetings. I am having fun learning “how to be a senator”

I have been working with D.A.A.G. group to feature movies that relate to disabilities and have “thin Tank Tuesday’s in April. We will formally introduce the group during Eliminate Hate week. The Student Art League is going on their annual trip and this time it’s to New York. Plus, there are many show openings to go this coming month both in the Conkling gallery and in the CSU.

RPSIG is in the process of planning a trip to Indianapolis in August. And hosting a convention here at MSU in May 05.

Senator Hart-Will there be enough art work for the hall in the CSU?

Senator Lange-Many groups have asked for murals.

College of Business-Abbas Raza

Last week there was a problem in the College of Business within the Management Dept. They had decided not to offer a class in the fall. We talked to the Dean, as this would prevent students from graduating in the fall. I am trying to make a web page that deals and links with the College of Business website. I would like to link the student senate and give them information on senate business. Apart from that Scott Johnson has requested that students join their department clubs. Those organizations hold events with businesses in the Twin Cities etc.

Senator Bangash-What class was not going to be offered.

Senator Raza-Management 458. This class is offered every fall and spring, they have changed classes. We are trying to get department to offer a similar course.

Senator Schultz-Can’t you take this by independent study?

Senator Omar-I like the idea of linking, will this be done by us or the college?

Senator Raza-This is a general idea, then I will pass this on to new senators.

Allied Health & Nursing-Jessica Cichy

A former senator has been admitted into the College of Nursing. This is a very big thing.

I have been emailing both on the State and National level.

I will be going to the Tenant Forum tomorrow.

Regarding the vote of no confidence, this has been on the table since last fall, this body talks a lot and takes no action.

Senator Lessard-How far along are people on MSUSA, how much do they know about it?

Senator Cichy-Most people don’t know what MSUSA is.

Senator Hart-How have you been contacting senators and what is the response?

Senator Cichy-Emails are really good, I have gotten responses in 24 hours. I have

been told there are many requests and with only so much money.

Speaker-Bylaw initiative from 03.24.04

Senator Schultz-I support it but what if we do not have a treasurer?

Senator Weigold-The bylaw gives flexibility on when there is a treasurer and when there is not a treasurer.

Senator Hart-Will this make the president more accountable or make it so he can’t get anything done?

Senator Weigold-It will make it more accountable and it should not be cumbersome.

Senator Lessard-Explain changing from one line item to another.

Senator Weigold-There may be things we want to change but it may be that someone would put all money in a particular line item.

Senator Lessard-I am talking about real things.

Senator Weigold-Supply money, a grad student was paid out of previous funds and there was not discussion.

Senator Omar-I agree the power may be abused. I still think it is better leaving things the

way they are.

Senator Entinger-I used my computer for many years without an anti-virus program, but I recently did buy one.

Senator Schultz-I support this.

Senator Bottin-I think this should be brought up with a new senate, there has not been anything done improperly.

Senator Hart-There is something in the Constitution that says we can rescind something.

This would just make the process slower.

Senator Weigold-I understand that not all purchases are made with an executive order, purchases happen all the time and this is not making a jab at the current administration but putting in rules for a new administration. This is the best time.

Senator Mudd-I think this is a good idea as we have not had a treasurer.

Senator Decker-This motion was passed in 1998.

Senator Omar-Would this cause the Treasurer to clash with the President?

Senator Cichy-This is a good way of check and balance.

Senator Lessard-I fail to see what money is being spent, is this MSSA or where is the

money coming from?

Senator Weigold-This is the MSSA operating budget. We make line items to sway how it should be spent.

Senator Schultz-Talking about not abusing the ability to overturn-this is a way that we do not have to go back and overturn.

Speaker-By Law amendment-

Article IX Section 3

The MSSA President shall secure the consent of the MSSA Senate to spend more than $75.00 in

Discretionary spending.

The Senate Speaker and Treasurer may together grant an exemption to this policy if a time constraint exists. If no Treasurer exists, the Senate Speaker and MSSA Vice President may together grant an exemption to this policy if a time constraint exists. If an exemption is granted the MSSA Senate must be informed at the next scheduled MSSA Senate meeting.

Section 4

The MSSA President shall secure the consent of the MSSA Senate to allocate surplus discretionary funds from within one line item into another line item.

Section 5

It shall be the duty of the Treasurer, If one exists of the MSSA Senate to inform the MSSA Senate, of any danger of violating this bylaw.

17-2 amendment adopted.


Senator Schultz-My proposal was accepted.

Senator Hart-Administration is looking at bringing a new center to campus-wind power to campus.

Senator Lessard-Very little consultation has been done on this issue.

Roll Call

Jessica Cichy, Elizabeth Lange, Abbas Raza, Nicole Schultz, Irfan Bangash-proxy Ruth Nieto, David Bottin, Greg Lessard, Taku Kurashige, Bryan Hart, Jani Grantz, Nathan Entinger, Adam Weigold, Kail Decker, Megan Brandt, Rachel Mudd, Trevor Fleck, Monica Brooks, Faizan M. Khan, Mohammed Omar,

Senators Absent

Muhammad Jiwani, Jeff Waldron, Ian Radtke, Stacey Stump, Ryan Flynn

Executive Staff Present

Vice President Anwer

Adjournment Meeting adjourned at 7:58 P.M.