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Minnesota State University, Mankato
Minnesota State University, Mankato


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71st MSSA Senate

October 22, 2003

Meeting called to order by Speaker Zach Biesanz

Roll Call (Present-Absent-Proxy-Excused)

Senators Present

Jessica Cichy 5-0-0, Ryan Deimerly 9-0-0-2, , Muhammad Jiwani 5-0-0 , Ermira Babamusta 4-1-0, Kristy Anderson 5-0-0, Jessica Boyd 11-0-0, Irfan Bangash 11-0-0, Greg Lessard 11-0-0, Eric Hill 5-0-0, Bryan Hart- 9-0-1-1, Imran M. Hussein 9-2-0, Faizan M. Khan 11-0-0, Jocelyn Crist 9-1-1 Joshua Brown 5-0-0, Nathan Entinger 5-0-0, Kail Decker 5-0-0, Megan Brandt 10-0-1, Ian Radtke 10-1-0, Rachel Mudd 11-0-0, Muhammad Sohail Rauf 10-1-0, Beth Paulson-3-0-1

Senators Absent

Abbas Raza 2-2-1, Sudeep Shrestha 3-1-1, Abuzar Iqbal 4-1-0

Executive Staff Present

President Rhys Gaffer, Vice President Shahzad Anwer

Presentation-Mary Dowd, Director of Student Rights and Responsibilities

Student Judicial Process-Statement of Student Responsibilities is administered in accordance with established University and Minnesota State disciplinary procedures. The primary expectations of students are integrity and civility. The nine responsibilities of undergraduate students at MSU are: 1) Individuals will fulfill their academic responsibilities in an honest and forthright manner, examples of this are plagiarism, submitting course assignments that are not your own, academic fraud , downloading material off the internet without proper citation. 2) Individuals will respect and foster the academic endeavors of others, examples of violations include harassment of a faculty member, disrupting teaching or research, excessive noise that disrupts classes, stealing another person’s research. 3) Individuals will respect the integrity of the University’s academic and administrative records, examples of violations include misrepresenting academic status, falsifying a signature, stealing or destroying University documents, obtaining grades, course access, awards or endorsements dishonestly, computer fraud. 4) Individuals will adhere to federal, state and local laws, along with Minnesota State System and University regulations that govern individual actions and relationships among community members, examples are physical assault, unauthorized or illegal consumption or possession of alcohol, public drunkenness 5) Individuals will protect and support the personal safety of self and others, examples of violations include but are not limited to: sexual assault; sexual contact without expressed permission; indecent exposure; stalking, threatening with a weapon. 6) Individuals will demonstrate respect for others in all their interactions, examples are disruptive noise; terroristic threats; sexual harassment; e-mail or telephone harassment, hazing. 7) Individuals will show respect for personal and University, examples of violations include vandalism; theft; destruction of property.

8) Individuals will contribute to a safe environment within the University community, examples of violations include possession of weapons, misuse of university keys failure to assume responsibility for the actions of one’s guest; intoxication that disrupts other individuals or the University’s activities. 9) Individuals will assist the University in fulfilling its administrative responsibilities, examples of violations include disruption of programmatic, administrative or public service activities of the University; harassment of University staff; failure to comply with sanctions from a disciplinary hearing. Jurisdiction-All students, regardless of the location of their residence, are members of the University community. The University may initiate judicial proceedings for off-campus incidents when: Hazing is involved, violation is committed while participating in a university sanctioned or sponsored activity; the victim of the violation is a member of the university community; or the violation constitutes a felony under state or federal law; or the violation adversely affects the educational, research or service function of the university. The recent off-campus situations directly affected everyone-school function was impacted. The university is still not interested in off-campus judication. When a student is alleged of a violation where basic rights apply, the student receives a letter to come to the office, students are told of policy, they are given an oral or written notice of the charges, and explanation of the evidence against them, and opportunity to present their side of the story, a written notice of the sanction imposed and an opportunity to appeal the sanction. In cases where comprehensive rights apply students; due process rights are as follows. The student will receive written notification of the allegations and the responsibility which allegedly has been violated, an opportunity to hear the evidence against them and to question it, a timely hearing before unbiased persons, an opportunity to present a defense in a hearing According to violation-students can go to a hearing officer. If student is found guilty, they receive appeal information. Appeal hearings are

a right for a student (Chapter 14 Hearing).

Senator Mudd-What qualifies as university community?

Mary Dowd-This is very broadly interpreted. This could extend any where even in a study abroad program.

Senator Lessard-If a student wanted to get involved in changing a policy-do they go through

your department?

Mary Dowd-If is something that is in the student code and maybe need just tweaking, it is possible, if it is a policy change they would have to wait until 2005, for review according to Minnesota State policy.

Sanctions could be a warning, saying we are concerned you are not aware of policy. Probation-typical sanction when a violation has occurred but we want the student to continue at the university. This is a minimum of one semester. This suspension could be for a sexual assault, academic plagiarism. Expulsion is most severe sanction. We try not to be seen as punitive. We are an educational setting we want students to learn and gain from this and get back on track. There are many educational sanctions.

Senator Brown-Disciplinary sanctions-who decides this?

Mary Dowd-There is not a fast and firm grid-most are alcohol related. There are different sanctions for 1st time violation-2nd time violation +, if you were taken to detox you might get this. Judicial Board has parameters for consistency.

Senator Decker-You said that jurisdiction runs over anything university sanctions.?

Mary Down-Yes, any event like a conference, athletics, etc. if is tried to MSU.

Senator Decker-Would Oct 4 be considered university sanctioned?

Mary Dowd-Absolutely no-but harm was caused by destructive behavior.

Senator Hart-What kind of process will students charged go through?

Mary Dowd-It will be handled exactly the same for all. Sanctions will range from minor sanctions

to sanctions of serious alleged activities.

Senator Brandt-Is there a follow-up after they are given sanctions?

Mary Dowd-The best we can do is hope they can learn from educational sanctions. For an educational sanction, students might have to read something on a certain topic, they might call them in and discuss this.

Senator Jiwani-How do you decide to bring someone in?

Mary Dowd-If information appears credible, they would call the person in. If the person comes in and they don’t have a lot of information it might be dismissed.

Senator Jiwani-Can students bring in witnesses or others to speak?

Mary Dowd-Sometimes they request mediation.

Senator Deimerly-What reprimands will students have that were involved in events?

Mary Dowd-Some individuals will be sanctioned with an education sanction-term paper, or have student put together their own plan, or interview other students on how to prevent this in the future. They would try to do something educational. On other end of continuum, we have a strong stance on property damage, they could receive suspension or expulsion. We want to examine every case individually, also if someone has previous charges the sanction could be more severe.

Senator Cichy-Do you ever recommend counseling?

Mary Dowd-They can and do recommend counseling in Health Services, taking Risk Reductions course for a second time offense. For a third time offense or going to detox, they could send to Counseling Center or AA. If someone is suspended they can recommend assessment.

Senator Boyd-What if someone does not do their sanction?

Mary Dowd-Student gets another letter of violation #9. They then get additional sanctions, a hold can be put on or they many not get their diploma until sanctions are completed.

President Gaffer-Can you speak about the role in grade appeal process

Mary Dowd-In complex situation of grade appeals such as in some situations where there is a technology piece for example they defer to Academic Affairs to avoid being in that situation.

Senator Mudd-Has there been anything done to students involved in Oct. 4?

Mary Dowd-We have to protect student’s rights of privacy. All students have visited the office, they

are making good progress. When information is not available, they have to wait a little longer.

Senator Lessard-Are students being responsible?

Mary Dowd-They have all come to the office.

Senator Lessard-Are there certain trends?

Mary Dowd-We are seeing blood alcohol levels like we have never seen. This shows alcohol patterns

were started before college.

Senator Khan-How does appeals process work?

Mary Dowd-Students can appeal academic course dishonesty allegations to the department chair, the college dean and the Vice President for Academic Affairs. Student submits letter to President of university-then a designated Vice President hears appeal and makes a decision. In case of expulsion, most hire an attorney.

Senator Khan-Is an appeal ever changed?

Mary Dowd-Yes, new evidence may have been presented, such as a police report.

Senator Brown-With that information, if a student accepts the sanction does it go to the law enforcement?

Mary Dowd-No, they usually don’t care. They can get their own information. School does

not release anything unless there is a subpoena. Student is contacted first.

Senator Brown-For a formal resolution, do you wait for law enforcement first?

Mary Dowd-Not unless we need additional information.

Senator Decker-What related to this, mass media?

Mary Dowd-Arrested were MSU students, that is an embarrassment. Media did say MSU riot-it affected the university.

Senator Cichy-How do students get on JBoard.

President Gaffer-There is an application process. There is a screening process to make sure student

is thoughtful and responsible.

Mary Dowd-GPA, conduct requirement. MSSA chooses the people to be appointed.

Senator Decker-with only 20 students of 45 arrested being MSU students, are you sure many MSU

students were involved?

Mary Dowd-We assume so with the proximity to the campus.

Approval of Agenda Agenda approved after addition of Rachel Mudd to Senator Reports.

Approval of Minutes (10-15-03) Minutes stand approved

Officer Reports

President Rhys Gaffer

Appointments: SAC-Beth Paulson-objection Megan Brandt, what are her qualifications?

President Gaffer-Senator Paulson has not been appointed to any committees she has a background in Accounting. Parking Advisory-Beth Paulson, Bookstore Advisory-Dave Bullert, ECDC-Betsey Yang,

Lindsey Wilson, Delia Gutierrez, Shabbir Hassan, Gaynor Gordon. The Legislative Affairs Coordinator has not corresponded with office for two weeks, this is declared vacant and applications will be accepted until November 1.

Speaker-That is out of order. To remove a coordinator requires a petition signed by 60% of senate and then a vote.

President Gaffer-We will accept applications until Nov.

President Gaffer-Pleases come to the office. I attended City Colleges University Advisory Council last week. We need students to apply to be on task force to work on celebratory riot issue. Apply on MSSA committee form which is online. state why you would be a good candidate, encourage students in classes to apply. Forum last week went well, I had hoped for better PR prior to the event. There will be a text book rental panel at MSUSA this weekend. Attended South Asian night on Saturday. I attended the first meeting of the NAACP. Vice President Anwer and I attended a meeting with Athletic Director Buisman and Mike Hodapp regarding hockey issue. Intent was to review issue and get an understanding of demographic information we requested. We won’t get this until January. We also discussed concept that this should go to SAC if they continue to do this. The likelihood is that we will need to review referendum on pre-paid admission passed in 1993. You can also talk to Mike Hodapp regarding this and the Reporter has articles that were published in 1992.

Red Eye Shuttle, we have had contacts and concerns that the shuttle does not go to apartments. The Red Eye rules are that it really only stays on campus. It has unofficially been used to get to apartments. There is a matter of safety and security. Everything comes down to money, we need to ask questions at PAC. Budget Committee members need to give recommendations to University Budget Sub Meet & Confer. Meetings are happening now, we need to work with university on budget stuff. The Minnesota State Board of Trustees has pretty much passed a 15% increase, we would like this lower. We need to be asking how are dollars spent and why? We need student focus on equipment

expenditures for academic classrooms. Encourage you to attend this if you are interested.

We need to have a landlord tenant forum next month-our attorney deals with many issues. It would

be nice to have something where students can get some information. What kinds of topics or research can we do ahead of time?

Academic Affairs Senators-We have an issue on campus where students paid dues to belong to a national chapter and the dues may have been used in other ways. This is on an academic

level, this may not have happened. Also research needs to be done on charges for students in

FAA flight checks, students don’t have to do their flight checks here and yet they are being charged or over charged. This is on going, it does not go to SAC but it is on the academic side.

MSUSA conference this weekend, 10 delegates going. Will share information when we get back.

There are six committees available at MSUSA-they need a report from us and what we want to

share. Reminder-Muslim students have events going on this week.

Lastly-I met with Dr. Schlake today, we discussed diversity issue on campus. We went from

riots to diversity. We have long standing issues on recruitment and hiring etc. The diversity issue regarding the racist remarks directed to the editor-in-chief is plain not understanding,

the issue is not that he is black but that he is editor- in -chief. Diversity on campus has no reason

to trust us. What are we doing for action? How is it that we handle things on our campus as far as action steps? These questions need to be asked. We have a Diversity Task Force, Dr. Davenport has his 2nd priority on diversity. What are we doing for inclusion and what are we doing to practice this? What are we doing for out reach? How can we be proactive and go forward in talking with university and putting these students in touch with the university so they can have their stories heard? Expect to be challenged because of lack of trust. We need to let students now that they can come to us and we will help either one on one or in a forum.

Senator Boyd-Regarding the shuttle? Is it possible to find out what exactly the policy is?

President Gaffer-They advertise that between the hours of 6-12 Monday –Thursday and 4:30-6:30 Friday and 5:00 to 11:00 pm Sunday that they only go to on-campus facilities and that they do not go off-campus, and yet sometimes drivers do go off-campus. Let’s start talking to Mark Frost and Jack Considine, we have a high population, who is responsible and what are we going to do about safety and security?

Vice President Anwer-I know the Red Eye used to go off-campus, why exactly has this suddenly stopped?


President Gaffer-I think there were some issues of students wanting to be transported that were alcohol impaired. They are now enforcing the policy.

Senator Decker-Did Dr. Schlake say that Myron brought this on himself?

President Gaffer-We talked about it being provoked, maybe the racist comments were an issue.

This seems like an isolated issue because the editor- in- chief is writing such a column. Yet this

can not be tolerated. The role of the journalist is writing yet responding as a student leader.

The comment of white male privilege was made by one person-what is the issue? I see it as being one of power-last year things were said in the Reporter by white staffers and a white editor. Would

we be having this conversation if our editor was not black?

Senator Decker-What exactly did Dr. Schlake say?

President Gaffer-She used some words that it may have been provoked.

Vice President Shahzad Anwer

SAC-I know there are concerns that senators do not know about some of the requests. They will be posted on the board when the requests are made. Committees-we have committees already running. Election Committee-we need to meet and see who still wants to be on this, if you are going to run for election in the spring you can not be on the committee. ECDC we need members and schedules.

Your profiles need to be done. Pay for your sweatshirts. November 8-retreat. It will be on-campus.

Met with Athletic Director Buisman, it was informing.

Dr. Davenport is very interested in how we feel about the riot and on the hockey ticket sales. International Student Awareness Week-we will be talking about international student

impact culturally and financially on-campus.

I don’t know exactly what is being said about the petition downstairs regarding concerts but

they say we are sitting on a huge chunk of money-$50,000. I will talk to Mike Hodapp about

this and give you more information next week.

Senator Crist-Where are you getting this information?

Vice President Anwer-A former senator came up with this information.

Speaker Zach Biesanz

Undeclared Senate seat now open.

I have heard from committee members that they feel senate does not trust the SAC committee, SAC works very hard, we do not have to agree with everything, but they do work hard and ask many questions before they present the request to us. Give committees credit.

I am a political science major-I have heard things about students involved in riot but we need to look at the Separation of powers. Student government is not the same as American government. We need to look at the separation of legislative and judicial branches. Two main criteria-If it is being looked at for the future it is probably legislative. If it has happened it is probably judicial. If it applies to population as a whole it is probably legislative, if it applies to individuals it is probably judicial. If you apply this to student government, our function is legislative, judicial goes to Jboard and that branch of the university. Because this has already happened and we have names of individuals to legislatively restrict sanctions would not apply to student government. The Morality of Law-every piece of legislation should be clear and general. On a personal level retaliation and punishment should not apply. I would rather see things made up to the community-how can we turn this around positively for all involved, how can we make it better than to make it worse for some people?

Senator Mudd-Overstepping boundaries-does this apply to student government or national?

Speaker-National government makes laws, we make resolutions and send to people that have the

power. Our administrators are willing to listen to us. They take it seriously, we do not have the

power of cohesion, we can’t turn something around if they say no. Yet they want to work with us. They absolutely read every resolution.

Senator Mudd-Is it overstepping our boundaries to pass a recommendation to the state legislature?

Speaker-The state legislature would only be hearing a sense of our student body. We can tell

them to pass this law, but we do not have the power to enforce.

Vice President Anwer-Do you think it would be more effective to do this through our

administration-have them contact the legislature?

Speaker-If we communicate directly without involving the administration they may take

offense to that.

Malcolm O’Sullivan-Senate has a lot of latitude to whom they want to send legislation to. But if is

of mutual concern to both, they would appreciate it if this was shared. They won’t try to

stop it.

Senator Khan-Would you agree that the only area that we have power over is RSO’s?

Speaker-No our student activity fee is. That is a 3 million dollar responsibility. That is

a lot and it is important. Senate is not a body of power but more of advisory and open

communication. The administration can not listen to 14,000 people at once, 30 yes.

Speaker-I have a motion before me.

R#10.22.03A Senator Cichy/Senator Decker

Move that SAC present budget requests to the MSSA Senate for at least one week after SAC has approved the request to allow senators and students proper time to review the SAC budget request.

Senator Cichy-I wrote this in response to a student. I feel we do need time to evaluate requests.

Senator Decker-Last year we realized there was not enough time between given information

and when we voted.

Senator Hart-I worry this would erode us in not respecting their decisions.

Senator Boyd-We should read their requests, but we also should be able to ask questions.

I don’t think it will erode trusting them.

Senator Entinger-I arise in favor of this. We need to get the recommendation ahead of time

to give a half way decent recommendation.

Senator Jiwani-The purpose of SAC is to look at the requests, but the senators should have all

the information.

Senator Decker-This is not to make changes but to get time for information.

Motion passes

Speaker – I have a motion before me

R#10.22.03B Senator Hart/Senator Mudd

Whereas: Not all people involved in the October 4th and 5th riots were MSU students

Whereas: until the judicial system has found individuals guilty; they are presumed innocent

Whereas: financial aid sanctions will unequally hinder students’ ability to afford college

Be it resolved: that the MSSA recommends to our representatives in the Minnesota State Legislature that those students found to be legally guilty be disciplined by

doing community service instead of financial sanctions

Senator Hart-This is a good thing for us to do. We need to let the legislature know that it would be wrong to punish students for off-campus activity. This could affect them in the future.

President Gaffer-We can have the Legislative Affairs Committee and the Speaker, send this legislation.

Senator Mudd-We feel we need to build up a good community feeling by having students do

service. Some students do not receive financial aid, and this would not affect them.

Senator Boyd-I feel this motion is trying to say don’t do that-like the drug legislation.

Speaker-Motion does have ambiguity.

Senator Boyd-I think the motion does address legislation that is going to happen, but it needs

to be made clear.

Senator Hart-I with draw my motion.


R#10.22.03C Senator Brown/Senator Hart

Whereas: Some MSU students have been involved in a riot and

Whereas: Minnesota State University, Mankato has a functioning University Judicial Board

Be it resolved: That the MSSA supports the existing University judicial process through which

the University Judicial Board is able to hold students accountable for the actions and to raise awareness of behavioral consequences.

Senator Brown-Basically we wrote this because President Davenport is looking for us to say something. We need to say we support the university decision.

Motion passes unanimously

Speaker-I have a motion before me

R#10.22.03B Senator Hart/Senator Mudd

Whereas: Not all people involved in the October 4th and 5th riots were MSU students

Whereas: until the judicial system has found individuals guilty; they are presumed innocent

Whereas: financial aid sanctions will unequally hinder students’ ability to afford college

Whereas: legislation is currently being reviewed to provide for the imposition of financial sanctions

Be it resolved: that the MSSA recommends to our representatives that only these students found to be legally guilty be disciplined and those students be disciplined through such means as community service instead of financial sanctions.

Senator Hart-this is cleaned up and removed some of the ambiguity.

Senator Brown-I would recommend a copy of this be sent to our representatives.

Senator Boyd-Does anyone have details on the legislation?

Senator Mudd-It takes a while for legislation to come forward. I recommend that we send

this to MSUSA.

Speaker-My interpretation is that this is for legislation.

Senator Brown-This is something that will impact the future, it is productive to have positive community relations.

Senator Boyd-Maybe we should make it very clear about the punishment.

Senator Entinger-While I agree with the idea of the motion of not taking away financial aid, I

believe it should go to a larger group like MSUSA. It is good we want to voice our opinion,

but we should take it further.

Senator Hart-Our folks that are going to MSUSA can make that happen. I would like this to

go to all state representatives.

Senator Boyd-How can we amend to send this to all legislators and MSUSA.

Senator Radtke-I believe to send it to all legislators would be daunting. We need to send

it to our MSU representatives.

Senator Lessard-Sending to all would be counter-productive.

Senator Hart-This will go to our representatives and to MSUSA. It says what we want it to say.

Motion passes

Senator Reports

Allied Health & Nursing Jessica Cichy

I am a freshman and I am on Leg Affairs, Academic Affairs, Student Technology Roundtable, Allied Health & Nursing Advisory Bd. Yesterday Allied Health & Nursing sponsored a cultural diversity event. In October Allied Health & Nursing celebrated its 50th anniversary. School of Nursing is undergoing an expansion process.

Senator Hart-How did College of Allied Health & Nursing start doing diversity projects?

Senator Cichy-They received a $10,000 grant because diversity is an issue in health care.

You need to know how to properly work with all ethnic backgrounds..

Social & Behavioral Science Eric Hill

I am law enforcement major. Since coming to MSU, I have involved myself immensely. Legislative and Academic Affairs are the two committees I am on. My time is also divided among RHA, Intramurals and Minnesota Performance Elite.

Law Enforcement received a $150,000 grant for new equipment.

Senator Hart-How will new program benefit the Mankato area?

Senator Hart-It will benefit all because 90% of majors go on to find jobs in Minnesota.

SET Jessica Boyd

Computer Science major, this is my last semester. I am looking for a job. This is not fun.

Red Eye Shuttle-this is an issue. There has been increased awareness of accidents when using

cell phones, the drivers have to answer the phones.

Attended South Asian night-it was great.

Communication Board has been meeting every week. They are trying to pinpoint purpose and power and make changes in Articles of Operation, clerical changes. Also getting in contact with the Newspaper Committee. The Minnesota River Review has changed their name to the Blue Earth Review.

I attended SET Advisory Board. We talked about facilities and equipment and the budget for it. If you see equipment that is not being taken care of or broken contact the Deans office. Sometimes studff sits, forgotten. There is Student/Faculty research opportunities to connect with faculty, because they have more experience in their area. The Dean ideally wants 25% of students participating. We discussed Online Course Catalog/Bulletin, online does not show past years. 50% of students at the meeting wanted printed course catalogs, all want bulletins. A solution might be a printable online version and selling the course catalogs.

We discussed Wind Turbine. I brought this issue to the Advisory Board for Joe Muggli. The Dean was meeting with an investor the following Monday, but I didn’t get an update at this meeting.

Dave Cowan e-mailed the Bookstore Advisory Board that they will be meeting soon.

Some senators have not created profiles. Committee members need to create a profile also.

Senator Hart-Dean Frey-Were you able to gauge any reaction on the wind energy project?

Senator Boyd-He is in favor of this. I think he said it would create a small amount of energy.

They need to be stable-it could be near the water treatment plant.

Senator Cichy-What is wind turbine?

Senator Boyd-It is like a big windmill-it is used for energy.

Senator Deimerly-Can I help you on concert company issue.

Senator Boyd-I was stopped on Monday, asking me if I wanted to save music? My concern is that they are not fully aware of what it costs and why it was taken away. Last year’s senate was concerned because they did not really have accurate costs. I need understanding of what they are telling people.

McElroy Hall Joshua Brown

I have served in the Army, Navy & Marines. My job as McElroy Hall Senator is to talk to people in dorms. I talk to people and find out complaints. I make sure RHA knows about complaints. One concern is that the Ambassadors do tours each week. Groups come through on Saturday mornings-residence hall students are in halls and bathrooms. Walt Wolff insured me he did not know that was going on. But people need to know when there will be tours. Newspaper Distribution (use mavcard) They are through out campus. I am on Parking Appeals-I love it, I would recommend it. Sub Committee proposal-any parking appeals dealing with RHA students will be dealt with by a separate appeals board.

President Gaffer-Regarding sub group of Parking Appeals-would it be better as a peer thing?

Senator Brown-We did 30 appeals today, we have another 80 to do. This way we could delegate

and get done in a more timely fashion.

Senator Khan-Are you having problems with food service on campus?

Senator Brown-Very much so. There is more at stake than healthy food. They are often out

of milk etc. I have issues with RHA-they are not stepping up to the plate. They need to get issues


Senator Paulson-With the newspaper machines-RHA pays for them, but all students can get papers

with their mavcard.

Senator Bangash-What cartoon character do you like?

Senator Brown-Johnny Bravo

Senator Entinger-Are you a member of RHA? Do you think RHA is not getting the proper training in what they are supposed to do?

Senator Brown-Yes, 100%.

Vice President Anwer-Are you having conversations about enforcing who gets the papers?

Senator Brown-Not sure what is happening at this time.

Senator Hart-Do only res hall students pay for those papers?

Senator Brown-To my knowledge

Off-Campus Rachel Mudd

I am a Economics/Political Science major. One of the things I wanted to talk about is regarding text book rental. I was disappointed about the amount of time given to questions and answers at the forum. I gave you some information from Barnes & Noble-I don’t think it is accurate. According to B&N

you pay $241.00 after buy back. They say it will cost roughly $298.00 for text book rental. The reason for the additional money is because they were looking at more than one book per class.

I am not for or against this, but I don’t think we are getting accurate figures.

President Gaffer-At the forum did you hear any other reasons that cost students more money like

faculty not getting their orders in on time?

Senator Mudd-Yes, that was given as a reason. B&N makes purchase look better than rental.

Vice President Anwer-Is this information averaged out at other schools?

Senator Mudd-I believe they looked at the cost at Eau Claire.

President Gaffer- Did you hear any statistical research on how many institutions have text book rental.

Senator Mudd-I believe they said there were 21 schools in the nation.

President Gaffer-During the presentation did they mention the cost of starting this up and for storage?

Senator Mudd-Yes about $5 million would be needed to start up. They talked about how to access fees and who would pay. Storage-maybe the current bookstore.

Senator Cichy-Nursing students usually purchase their books.

Senator Mudd-At Eau Claire Nursing program did not participate in rental.

Senator Hart-Would it be optional for different colleges to participate?

Senator Mudd-Yes.

Senator Cichy-Would this be included in fees?

Senator Mudd-That was not determined.


Speaker-President of Aikido Club. Aikido is defense martial arts, it is more about receiving energy than retaliating, meets M-TR.

Senator Ettinger-Tonight-Buzz Sutherland in ballroom.

Senator Lessard-Campus Greens is sponsoring a discussion on the Mall 11:30-1:00 on non violence

intervention and ways to balance the budget.

Senator Hart-Rake the Town Saturday at 8:30 A.M.

Senator Brown-I need ideas for a present for someone.

Senator Hart-Hay rides are going on-$10.00. Great time.

Senator Cichy-Alcohol Awareness week-look at the car outside.

Roll Call

Students Present

Jessica Cichy, Ryan Deimerly, Muhammad Jiwani-proxy Shabbir Hassan , Emira Babamusta, Jessica Boyd, Irfan Bangash, Greg Lessard, Eric Hill, Bryan Hart, Imran Hussein, Faizan Khan, Jocelyn Crist, Joshua Brown , Nathan Ettinger, Ian Radtke, Rachel Mudd, Megan Brandt, Muhammad Sohail Rauf, Beth Paulson

Students Absent

Abbas Raza, Kristy Anderson, Sudeep Shrestha, Kail Decker, Abuzar Iqbal

Executive Staff Present

President Rhys Gaffer, Vice President Shahzad Anwer

Adjournment Meeting adjourned at 7:30 PM