MinutesPage address: https://www.mnsu.edu/mssa/docs/minutes_years/minutes/2004-2005/10-20-2004.html
72nd Senate Meeting called to order by Speaker Kail Decker
Roll Call (present-absent-proxy-excused)
Derek Ritchison 9-0-0, Katie Kendhammer 5-0-0, Elizabeth Lange 6-2-0-1, Megan Brandt 7-0-0-2, Irfan Bangash 5-0-0 , Jennifer McGuffey 9-0-0, Melissa Bartley 4-1-0, Mohammed Omar 9-0-0, Adam Weigold 9-0-0, Shuaib Ibrahim 9-0-0, Trevor Fleck 6-3-0, Taku Kurashige 9-0-0, Thomas Bergstrom 9-0-0, Tim Ibisch 9-0-0, Megan Karsten 5-0-0, Emily Kofoed 8-1-0, Jessica Cichy 9-0-0, Kristopher Lee 5-0-0, Jacly Fishman 3-1-0, Jason Casey 3-1-0, Danielle Thomsen 9-0-0, Waqas Jamshed 4-5-0, Jesse Clift 9-0-0, Matthew Wangerin 9-0-0, Joe Mikolai 5-0-0
Executive Staff Present
President Anwer, Vice President Copic
Presentation: Priority Registration-Vice President of Academic Affairs-Dr. Scott Olson, Athletic Director Kevin Buisman, Speech Communication Chairperson-Dr. Dan Cronn-Mills
Dr. Olson-Priority Registration has become an equity issue. Students are currently disadvantaged because of what they are doing for MSU in scheduling conflicts. In Hockey for example, there are only certain times a student can take classes, do they choose between playing hockey and taking classes? You had concerns last year with the proposal, we changed the policy. In the current policy we limit the ability to get priority registration to 65 credits-this is up to roughly the beginning of a Jr. year. Last year the Faculty Association and Academic Affairs was opposed to the policy. They are now overwhelmingly in favor and have gone on the record for this. We could argue this, but if we continue to do that, we will get no where. For me this is equity, it is not a perk, it is justice for those who put on the purple and gold literally or figuratively. They are benefiting us all. When we have a better image it increases our ability to do fundraising. It increases the dollar value of the degree.
Pride-this is a proud place this fall because of what students are doing. The students that are doing
this are being denied classes, lets give them some fairness. Many people have worked hard on
this new policy. The people that have worked on this expect to have this policy approved as you would if you worked on improving a paper.
Senator Brandt-How many people would be involved?
Dr. Buisman-This applies to a 64 credit limitation, after soph year, roughly half of athletes, 250.
Senator Weigold-If this body opposes this, what will the administration’s reaction be?
Vice President Olson-Dr. Davenport would have to make the decision, he is a very student friendly
President in student needs.
Director Buisman-Many populations that would be affected are students as well. He would like to see
this corrected. You can correct this.
Senator Clift-The policy talks about lower division courses, is there a way of making sure that is what
Dr. Olson-It would be helpful if the Registrar was here, that is a very technical question. That could
go back to the Registrar. There might be a screen that could limit registration to certain classes.
Senator Bartley-My understanding is that this is for students that can’t register for a certain class, have they gone to their instructors?
Dr. Cronn-Mills-That is what is happening now and they are not getting the sections they need. If they have to be gone for a competition, they have to miss classes, if they had this policy they could register early and get in classes where they would not have to say meet on Friday afternoon and miss as many classes.
Vice President Olson-Many times manually registering is not possible. A professor can not always
let students in because of class size etc.
Director Buisman-We are talking about circumstances that are out of student’s control. We are backed into scheduling that is beyond our control. We had two student track athletes, by the time they
could register for a class, it was full. They had to register for classes on Friday, they were disadvantaged, they were set up to fail.
President Anwer-What are the specifics going to be? Would a freshman get priority over only
freshman or all students?
Director Buisman-That is a technical question that you could put into a modification. The easiest would be to have everyone register the day before but there would be a technical capacity that
would not be accepted by all.
Senator Cichy-Do you feel this should be for non-traditional students that may have a family and have to work?
Vice President Olson-That is an interesting idea, it could be developed, however, it is not in this
policy. This policy is for students engaged in MSU sponsored activities, MSU image related activities. That does not devalue the non-traditional student. It is not to disadvantage one over the other.
Senator Cichy-Couldn’t many other students qualify for this then such as Student Events Team?
Vice President Olson-Yes, many groups could come before and petition, but it is the extent of the activity they are in and if the requirements for that activity make it impossible for them to register. Being busy is not enough of a conflict.
Senator Fishman-How does this work for freshman that register during summer registration?
Director Buisman-This only applies after an initial term. This is from 12 credits to 64 credits.
Senator Casey-If a main goal is to graduate, why would priority registration off-set the necessity to graduate sooner?
Vice President Olson-With out saying they are choosing to be athletes, however, in many cases
registration is preventing them from getting classes or is forcing them to attend school longer, and not graduating sooner. We are asking that their desire to participate not cost impairment to their education. Non-trads have a disadvantage but this policy is about the desire to participate in university activities.
Director Buisman-There are circumstances out of our control. We can build our own hockey arena,
then we would not have time conflicts. This would be more cost effective.
Dr.Cronn-Mills-Speech is a co-curricular program, it counts for classes and also an extracurricular activity. But they can only participate if they do not miss classes.
Senator Kurashige-How do you respond to students that say this is a time management problem for these students?
Vice President Olson-This is not time management on the part of the student, they are
simply not able to get the courses.
Dr. Cronn-Mills-If this was put into effect then time management would come into place,
getting to classes, practice, competing. All the time management in the world does not
help if they have to be gone and miss classes.
Dr. Cronn-Mills-The prime benefit for this would be for the faculty that have to make special
accommodations for students that need to miss class. It does become annoying for faculty, they should not be penalized for having to be gone. Many faculty resent this and do take it out on students.
even though students need this class because it was the only time open when they registered.
Senator Kendhammer-If this went into effect how many of your students would it affect?
Dr. Cronn-Mills-About 10
Director Buisman-about 200
Dr. Cronn Mills-They will not fill all the classes, there will still be sections open.
Senator Ritchison-How has this worked in other schools you polled?
Director Buisman-I can’t count for all the schools polled. We polled our peers that we meet
regularly. Duluth and University of North Dakota-Duluth just passed their policy last
year, UND has had it for a while. Denver, MN, Ohio, Alaska, and WI all Division I have
this policy. St. Cloud has their own hockey arena. Having our own facility is not
a practical solution even thought we could then schedule practices when we wanted.
Vice President Copic-Define university sponsored event.
Vice President Olson-I hope you would do that, you have an example here, like speech and athletics. These are activities scheduled by the university.
Director Buisman-If that is the primary issue-we can clarify and work together and address issues that need tightening. We need to try to correct this inequity.
Senator Omar-I am concerned about the open ended ness of this.
Dr. Cronn-Mills-The primary innovation is for travel, practice that is set out of a student’s control. Forensics can not control when and where a tournament will be. Football athletes cannot control when their games will be scheduled. Theater does not want to be included because they can control when the play goes on and when they can practice.
Vice President Olson-But we welcome putting that in the policy.
Director Buisman-The policy clarifys what a university policy is-when class time needs to be missed. This is an open policy. You have to demonstrate to the committee what you perceive the policy.
Senator Omar-Are you concerned over long term goals?
Director Buisman-I can’t say this will resolve every issue, students could still miss a class, but it could relieve some of the burden on faculty. Faculty have to proctor tests and take time at general student’s expense. This is perception verses reality. We should come back to this policy in a few years and see if it is achieving what we hope it will. When I talk to campuses that have this policy, initially they all said there was opposition, now most students don’t know because it does not benefit or harm them.
Athletes are students, using this would say absolutely it helps me. You can correct this and
Dr. Cronn-Mills-If sections are offered on Tuesday and Thursday and students can take those, it will allow them to miss fewer classes.
Senator Brandt-How do departments determine times in scheduling classes?
Dr. Cronn-Mills-This is a difficult task. They have to have a rotation, nights, faculty say what they
want and prefer-they juggle until they get everything scheduled. This is left to the department level.
Vice President Olson-Classroom availability, not all classes can be on Tuesday and Thursday.
Dr. Cronn-Mills – In Speech we have 17 sections, we can only schedule 3 classrooms.
Senator Raza-What are the plans after the 64 credits?
Director Buisman-This is not a perfect solution, but problems are in the elective courses. If there is only one section offered, there is only one section and a student has to take that.
Senator Weigold-Since this policy would take away someone’s spot-what about volunteering?
Director Buisman-This is great dialogue-but the perception is that you will be harmed, lets come back and look at this and see if it addresses the problem or is a greater harm than what the initial policy
thought to correct. I don’t think anyone will say that priority registration hurt them.
Vice President Olson-The Faculty Association wanted in the policy a review more quickly-if you
implement this, how soon would you look at reviewing this is a great question to ask?
Senator Karsten-Considering the fact that most of these are elective courses-is this really an issue?
Vice President Olson-Yes
Muslim Student Association-Hamid Yunus, Durre Zafar
Mr. Yunus-Thank you for allowing us to be here. We are here to tell you who we are and to give you background information. Muslim Students Association represents Islamic faith and heritage, in coordination with many other organizations. MSU has a very diverse Muslim community comprising of more than 200 Muslims. It is one of the responsibilities of our organization to educate and share our faith and cultural values with both, the on-campus and off-campus, Mankato community. At this time we have many more numbers of students. When the Association was formed it was to serve the Muslim body and allow us to bond with each other. Today Muslim students have had many things added. Now we organize many community events and on-campus events. This gives people a chance
to come together, we can provide information and education to other students. Many of
you have attended our events. We have over 200 members. We provide information on
our backgrounds, we need to share but we need a venue. We need to have a place where
someone can go to get information, where students can bond together where there is
a permanent presence. We have been trying since 2001. We cannot provide the services
we would like to provide. There is not a central location where people can go to voice
opinions. We need some where we can have photos, information and show
diversity. We need a facility to organize our diversity. There has to be a united voice.
We have things we need to share. It is tough now, because we meet with organizations,
but we are increasing the gap because we have no way of communicating. The demand
for information has increased-it is a fact, people want to know more about us. We get calls
from churches, schools, they want to know about our background, how we live. More and
more people want to learn about us. We need to work harder, faster and better. We need
organization and communication. To achieve that we need to have a presence. We need a
conducive environment of purity. Many Muslims also have to pray five times a day, we
have a tough time doing this. This would also help us with other departments. Our hope
is that we can get a place where we can meet, communicate, pray.
Durre Zafar-There has been a lot of interest in our association, students work hard to get out information but there is no organization or communication. We need a central reference point so we can provide better service. This would be open to all students and show everyone that we are friendly We do pray five times a day and sometimes it is hard to do on campus. As women we feel we need a safe place to pray.
Hamid Yunus-Perception is a fact, anyone in the community could come to this and receive information. The Student Union has been working with us, it has been a good effort but we still need a permanent presence.
Senator Brandt-Is there a place on campus, is there space available?
Hamid-I met Iver and yes there are spaces but SLD&SL decides who gets these spaces.
Whereas: The number of Muslim students at MSU continues to increase and whereas there is a great need on behalf of the Muslim Student Association to effectively reach and communicate with it’s members
Be it Resolved: The MSSA supports the idea of looking into the possibility of getting a room for the Muslim Student Association.
Senator Omar-This is very important, as the number of students increases it is hard when we
only have email. We need a place where Muslim students can come.
Senator Lange-The safety issue is an important one.
Senator Weigold-This is a very important issue and I move to table this for Union Board
Senator Omar-I don’t see that, this needs to be said definitively. There is no point there.
Senator Weigold-This is something Union Board is already considering.
Senator Thomsen-This motion is only saying that this is a general feeling for opportunity.
The internal committee could find the room. The passing would give the feeling of defense.
President Anwer-Union Board has never considered a room, only a bathroom change. The
motion is saying that we should look into doing this, direct the committee to look at this.
Senator Kurashige-They came to us and maybe we can say how important this issue is.
Senator Weigold-Referring to committee does show support and it is already on the Union Board agenda to look at space.
Vice President Copic-We could amend this to say we approve this and we want to refer
it to committee.
Motion to refer to committee passes
Approval of Agenda Agenda approved with additions of Presentation-Muslim Student Association, Academic Affairs Committee, and Senator Reports
Approval of Minutes 10-13-04 Minutes stand approved with corrections
President Shahzad Anwer
Last Thursday many of us went to St. Paul regarding the tuition freeze. Minnesota State does not seem like they are in support of a tuition freeze. The Senate Higher Education committee met today. I spoke,
Senator Casey spoke. We talked about the impact of tuition and how students are forced to stay in school longer.
MSUSA Conference this weekend in St. Paul. The conference has become expensive, we want to give the people going $10.00.
We met with the Vice President of Student Affairs and we will be doing a student forum on tuition freeze, priority registration and free speech. This will be Nov 4 from 11:30-1:30.
Senator Weigold-If you have a request, why don’t you offer up a motion?
Vice President Goga Copic
Priority Registration-You all have the policy. As far as what we should do about this-we should do
some research, we need to see if this is a success or not. Talk to athletes. We are here to gather
information, and then discuss this.
Open Forum-this is a good opportunity for you to talk as a student not only a senator.
Recognized Student Organizations: MSU Chess Club, Pi Sigma Alpha (Political Science Honorary Society), Women’s Club Volleyball, Asian American Student Association, Student Nurse’s Association (SNA), Nepaliase Student Community (NeStCom), Mankato State Equestrian Club, MSU Cigar Club (MCC)
Student Services-Trevor Fleck
Bookstore Advisory-Barnes and Noble contract is up at the end of the year, they will be sending out
requests for proposals. Barnes and Noble will match the prices that Maverick Bookstore offers.
Barnes and Noble also gives scholarship money to the university.
I will be heading up the Open Forum-three topics: Priority Registration, Free Speech, and Tuition Freeze. It is crucial that we have help from all senators on getting the word out.
Senator Ritchison-What was the date for the deadlines?
Senator Bartley-What are the criteria?
Coordinator Fleck-They put out bids stating how much they will pay, what they contribute back, different activates above and beyond, how fast they can get books, how they treat their employees. I will get you the information.
I have made continued efforts on starting the Veterans Club. I will be tabling in the CSU Construction Café Oct 27. I solicited information from non traditional coffee group on priority registration-most said no, but the administration did work on this and improve the points.
Today I talked about the grants, tuition, etc. to the Senate Higher Education Committee. I told
the Senate hearing today our non-traditional student numbers went from 24% last year to 17% this year. Is it because of less money or higher tuition?
Science, Engineering & Technology-Adam Weigold
I have been talking to the officers and I would like feedback on a platform document. This
would show us the history and what our stances have been on issues.
MSUSA this weekend-this is a pivotal time. The structure of the organization is equal for all
the campuses, yet St. Cloud and MSU are the largest organization and we have the same amount
of representation as the small schools. We need to know as a senate what is going on. Otherwise
we will be sitting back and not representing our students.
Senator Mikolai-Other than priority registration do you have examples of issues that would be on
Senator Weigold-Every issue would be on it. This is a way of reviewing what has passed previously.
I was disappointed at senate last week because I felt discussions were personally motivated.
Motion Senator Bangash/Lange
Move to allocate money for a budget for two meals at the MSUSA Conferences.
Student Allocations Committee recommends funding MSU Paintball Club $1700.00 to attend the World Cup Intercollegiate X-Ball Championship in Orlando, FL.
Megan-Did not pay for food and travel, SAC approved lodging and fees.
Senator Weigold-How many members are going?
Motion passes unanimously
Student Allocations Committee recommends funding the Society of Professional Journalists-MSU Student Chapter $150.00 to attend the National SPJ Convention in New York, N.Y.
Motion passes unanimously
Student Allocations Committee recommends funding the Mankato College Republicans $135.59 to attend leadership training in Brainerd, MN.
Senator Thomsen-What is the nature and did it coincide to college. What was the focus?
Co-Chair Brandt-Leaders received training.
Senator Thomsen-Who put the conference on?
Senator Kofoed-What was the specific amount?
Co-Chair Brandt-They drove their own car and this is for the fees.
Vice President Copic-If we support this it shows we support our students and they can bring something back to campus.
Senator Weigold-This was just a leadership conference within Minnesota State policy.
Senator Kurashige-We support other students, this makes sense.
Senator Mikolai-Did the others we supported benefit all the campus? It seems they benefit the
Motion passes 4 abstentions
Academic Affairs Committee-Chair Brandt
Academic Affairs Committee M#10.20.04A
The Academic Affairs Committee and MSSA oppose the priority registration proposal.
President Anwer-This is too soon.
Senator Weigold-This is not clear that it will benefit students. There are so many if ands and maybe.
it was clear to the committee it is not a good policy.
Senator Casey-Did we not table this? I changed my mind, we should look into this further.
Senator Kurashige-I agree the presentation was very informative, we do need more discussion.
Senator Lee-Yes maybe they do support our school but they choose to do that. If they want to graduate sooner or get the classes they want, that is their decision.
Senator Ritchison-Move to table for further discussion
Motion to table passes
Student Services –Chair Ibisch
Student Affairs Committee M#10.20.04A
Whereas: Research has shown that changing dynamics of student population have necessitated the change in our busing routes.
Whereas: Sufficient ridership has not been shown in the previous route
Be it Resolved: The Minnesota State Student Association supports the MSU route as it stands as approved by the MSU administration.
Senator Ibisch-The committee did look at all the research and felt the administration made the right decision.
Senator Weigold/Mikolai-Move to amend clerical change in language..
Motion to amend passes
Amended motion passes 3 abstentions
Student Affairs Committee M#10.20.04B
Whereas: There was limited student involvement in the development of the smoking policy
Whereas: The policy put forward by MSU does not fairly resolve the issue of on campus smoking.
Whereas: There is no clear cut enforcement policy.
Whereas: Whereas the current policy is not seen to have been enforced.
Be it Resolved: The Minnesota State Student Association does not support the MSU
smoking policy in it’s present form.
Kendhammer-Tour guides needed tomorrow and Friday.
Senator Lange-Tonight 253-255, I am SAM
Senator Casey-Golden Honor-rebuttal of Fahrenheit 911
Speaker Decker-I will be a tour guide tomorrow, I encourage you to do this.
Senator Kofoed-I am also a tour guide, it is practically a script.
Senator Weigold-I am also giving a tour a tour tomorrow.
Derek Ritchison, Katie Kendhammer, Elizabeth Lange, Irfan Bangash, Khumar Raza, Jennifer McGuffey, Melissa Barley, Adam Weigold, Taku Kurashige, Megan Karsten, Emily Kofoed, Kristopher Lee, Jacly Fishman, Jason Casey, Danielle Thomsen, Waqas Jamshed, Matthew Wangerin, Joe Mikolai
Megan Brandt, Mohammed Omar, Shuaib Ibrahim, Trevor Fleck, Thomas Bergstrom, Tim Ibisch, Jessica Cichy, Jesse Clift
Executive Staff Present
President Anwer, Vice President Copic
Adjournment Meeting adjourned at 6:30 PM