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Parking Advisory Committee
Minutes- Thursday, December 2, 1999

Minnesota State University, Mankato

Parking Advisory Committee

Meeting Minutes - Thursday, December 2, 1999

Chairperson David Cowan convened a regular meeting of the Parking Advisory Committee at 11:09 AM on Thursday, December 2, 1999, in room 103 of the Centennial Student Union.

Regular PAC Members Present - 4 of 6 Members
1. Rose Marie Ley AFSCME Council 6, Local 638 Representative
2. David Cowan Administration Representative
3. Cathy Hughes MSUAASF Bargaining Unit Representative
4. Jesse Palmer Off-Campus Student Association Representative

Regular PAC Members Absent - 2 of 6 Members
1. Steve Gilbert IFO Faculty Association Representative
2. (Vacant) On - Campus Student Assn. Representative

Ex - officio, Nonvoting Members Present - 5 of 7 members
1. Sue Edstrom Parking and Traffic Services Coordinator
2. Kate Voight Parking Citation Appeals Board Coordinator
3. David Neve Business Affairs Representative
4. Ian Radtke Residence Hall Association Representative
5. Diane Solinger Residential Life Office Representative

Ex - officio, Nonvoting Members Absent - 2 of 7 Members
1. Larry Kohanek Alternate/Physical Plant Director
2. Scott Hagebak Conference Scheduling Representative

Others in Attendance
1. Tom Bleything PAC Recording Secretary
2. Jeremy Egenberger Shuttle Van Coordinator

Approval of Past Meeting Minutes - November 18th
After a few minor corrections Cathy Hughes moved to approve the meeting minutes of Thursday, November 18th, 1999, motion passed.

Report on 11/29 Cowan/Jensen Presentation Before RHA
At the request of the Residence Hall Association, PAC Chair David Cowan and Security Supervisor Joel Jensen attended the RHA's regular meeting on 11/29/99. At that session it was clear to Cowan that RHA members were not happy that 350 residence hall students had little or no choice but to buy lot 20a dark green discount permits ($46 for 9 months) and park out in lot 20a some distance from any of the three residence hall complexes.

[Permit sales caps have already been reached for the McElroy/Crawford Northern Green Zone (808 permits) and Gage Southern Green Zone (669 permits). Persons trying to buy a residence hall permit after those caps had been reached were forced to buy a discount green permit and park out in Lot 20a.]

Radtke who was present at the 11/29 RHA session, reported that the RHA took no official action following the PAC presentation. Apparently, the RHA will review old proposals they forwarded last year to the PAC - a couple of the proposals were eventually adopted by the PAC and implemented (e.g., students returning to the residence hall put down a $50 deposit last spring to guarantee them a close-in green permit stall close to their residence hall). Several RHA members on 11/29 propose that the PAC eliminate the ability of purple permit holders to park in Lot 16 (Performing Arts lot).

Jesse Palmer expressed concern that denying Lot 16 access to purple permits holders
would be unfair and diminish the overall value of the $100 purple permit (and $46 night-time purple permit). Too few purple permit stalls presently exist on the northern edge of the campus - purple Lot 17 (106 stalls), Lot 16 (100 average) and on-street parking stalls in front of McElroy and Wiecking Center (52 stalls).

Weighting the Waiting List # of those on Existing Lot 20a Waiting List -
PAC members then discussed the possibility giving a "permit upgrade" preference to those holding part-time jobs who are on the Lot 20a discount green weighting list. Under such a proposal those with part-time jobs would be moved to the forefront of the waiting list and be eligible to upgrade their discount green permit to a regular green permit assuming they would also be willing to pay the difference in price prorated by half a year. (9 month prices: $100 for regular green; $46 for discount green).

Cathy Hughes explained to a certain extent dorm room assignments are weighted such as people wanting single rooms have authority depending on their year in college, age, and how many years they have lived in the dormitories. Jesse Palmer stated that creating a "weighted" waiting list for Lot 20a permit holders would be a hassle and the system would be easily compromised. He also stated that he liked the traditional waiting system that we have now.

The problem of parking permits will only get worse in the years to come since more and more freshmen are bringing vehicles because of job requirements and the like. There is not much land for surface lot development in the McElroy/Crawford Northern Zone. With the new soccer and softball fields by the Gage lot 1, additional surface parking lot development on the southern part of the campus is also limited.

Hughes indicated the fact that the Taylor Center is under construction and in a year will be the new "front door" to the campus, will only help the residence hall-parking situation. The Lot 20a dark green permit holders will feel much closer to the campus in reality because of the Taylor Center with its indoor connection to the bulk of the campus.

Utilization Studies - Lots 16, 18, and 20a
On or about 10 AM next Tuesday, Cowan agreed to count the green, purple, and gold permits along with open spaces and violators in Lot 16 on December 7 in an attempt to figure out which stalls are being utilized and by what customers. A similar study will also be conducted that same evening involving the Lot 18 and 16 gold stalls to determine the use of gold spaces by regular gold and nighttime gold permit holders.

Parking in Lot 16 has been more of a problem on nights with musical or theatrical events.

Edstrom agreed that she would conduct a utilization study on both regular green permit holders as well as dark green discount permit holders all parking in lot 20a..

Special meeting scheduled for Thursday, 12/7/99
Without objection the PAC agreed to convene a special meeting to review the results of the three separate studies. [The meeting is scheduled for December 7, 1999, in CSU room 204 at 11 AM].

Shuttle Van Progress Reported - "Jeremy"
Jeremy Egenberger reported with the PAC about the progress of the Lot 20a late night/Sunday night shuttle van that started five weeks ago. He brought in a chart to show his progress and the numbers were very impressive. Approximately 400 students in five weeks have used his services. Using advertising techniques such as signs in the residence halls, flyers, word of mouth, and even fancy business cards, have all helped in alerting Lot 20a permit holders about his shuttle van services. The talk of a 2nd van on Sundays was brought up to compensate for the increase of passengers using the shuttle. The PAC would also like Jeremy to stay an extra hour on Sunday nights and start the Sunday service at 5:30 PM on an experimental basis.

Without objection the meeting was adjourned at 12:07 PM.

Respectfully Submitted,

Tom Bleything